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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Was life really simpler then?

What happened to those brave souls that would never stand still for any perceived injustice and would demonstrate for weeks?

What happen to those "Make love not war" advocates that stood toe to toe with a gun bearing policemen or solider with nothing more then a flower in hand and a strong determined voice?

What happened to all the people that understood that American freedoms and rights were worth dying for and a government that stood between the will of the people and their rights needed to be held accountable?

What happened to us?


[edit on 6-4-2009 by NightSkyeB4Dawn]




posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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Sadly most of them are CEO's and part of the establishment that they once so hated! They have allowed the wealth and the glitter of success to jade their spirit and they have largely forgotten. They also did not teach their children to love the cause because the cause was forgotten once they achieved success.

The rest are lulled into a daily existence and the few that still have the fire are trying to engage the rest of their generation and teach the younger ones.

red



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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well, that and the fact that we aren't all hopped up on drugs anymore. You get a whole lot braver when you don't have the realization that you could be dead at any moment.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
well, that and the fact that we aren't all hopped up on drugs anymore. You get a whole lot braver when you don't have the realization that you could be dead at any moment.


We are on more drugs then ever before and the possibility of death lurks around every corner.

The only difference is that we fear the unknown risks while ignoring the known.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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LOL we could really say that we are so drugged up now with pharmacy drugs that no one even cares! How sad.

I liked the fishnet and go go boots back in the day. Sorry your thread got so little response I thought it was a great topic. red



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn



Was life really simpler then?

What happened to those brave souls that would never stand still for any perceived injustice and would demonstrate for weeks?

What happen to those "Make love not war" advocates that stood toe to toe with a gun bearing policemen or solider with nothing more then a flower in hand and a strong determined voice?

What happened to all the people that understood that American freedoms and rights were worth dying for and a government that stood between the will of the people and their rights needed to be held accountable?

What happened to us?


[edit on 6-4-2009 by NightSkyeB4Dawn]


Genuine protest movements are and always have been infiltrated by agent provocateurs who work for those who have most to lose if such protests result in real change.

The agent provacateurs are basically given licences by their employers to do anything that is required in order to destroy whichever movement is a threat to their rule which is above the law.

A very good book which you may like to read concerning such shady goings on is BEYOND OUR CONSENT written by Robert Harris Brevig. This book can be found on the Scribd website.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Genuine protest movements are and always have been infiltrated by agent provocateurs who work for those who have most to lose if such protests result in real change.


I have to agree with you.

Unfortunately everyone, “everyone” has their price.

The list of excuses for reasons to stand by and do nothing contains more entries then stars in the sky. The list containing reasons for doing what is right is much smaller.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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911 happened. It changed our country forever in my opinion. New "rules" got written.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by redhead57
LOL we could really say that we are so drugged up now with pharmacy drugs that no one even cares! How sad.

I liked the fishnet and go go boots back in the day. Sorry your thread got so little response I thought it was a great topic. red


The stockings and the boots were pretty funky.

We were all about doing things differently and trying to make a change.

I guess we were quite successful in our quest for change. If nothing else we changed our own hearts and our minds.

I just wish I could say it was the better.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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Who really cares? 99.9 percent of people who claim to have made a difference or were part of some movement were complete fakes, living with an idealized idea of what they were. They weren't involved because they cared but because it was a trend.
As far as I am concerned they just wanted to be hip and seem rebelious. If they weren't pretending the world may actually have ended up different instead of just "free love" and drug use.

They sold out like they claimed they never would. Its Biggest generation of hypocites ever and deep down they know it.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that generation had been reduced to nothing more then a warning post of how not to do accomplish your goals.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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It is true that some people of that generation were indeed just
followers and were not truly vested in the causes but you have to
give credit where it is due.

Many more of the protesters were committed and were willing to put there life on the line for what they believed.

Even those that just went along for the ride at least they lent their voice and stood up for something even if their commitment was not complete.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Don't over-romanticize the 60s.

Firstly, hard-core "revolutionaries" like the Weathermen or Panthers were a tiny, tiny fraction of the population, and their crazed acts of violence achieved nothing. Secondly, the larger, more peacful demonstrations didn't really accomplish all that much, either (with the possible exception of civil rights marches in the early 60s, and even that is debatable). Thirdly, the "protest generation" was mostly privilaged and college-educated; the less fortunate were too busy working blue-collar jobs or fighing in nam to join the "fun." Fourthly, the protests against the war were not idealistic, but self-interested at heart. People worried about the draft and the possibility they (or their boyfriends) would wind up toting a gun in the jungle. No draft = no mass protests: a lesson the military learned very well. If there had been an all-volunteer military back in the day, the anti-war protests would likely have been as lackluster as todays.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 06:02 PM
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Don't over-romanticize the 60s.


My question was what happened to the people that had the courage to stand for what they believed?

My post was not intended as a glorification of the sixties or any other period of time.

I may be wrong but I think that we need a strong, united and committed front to bring our country back from the brink of extinction.

I don't expect a lot from the young people of our society nor do I blame them. We have reared them to be soft, dependent and entitled.

Many of them will not even know what they have lost they will only know the effect.

We are looking at the loss of American freedoms that we have taken for granted and we are doing nothing.

My question is where are those that would stand before; even if it were as you said a selfish, self centered act.

Even if you think their actions had no significant impact at least they did something. At least they tried.

Is our excuse going to be that the outcome will be lackluster and have little impact?

Doing nothing will guarantee no impact.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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I believe protests are a reflection of needs. As the situation becomes darker, I certainly expect to see protests. Actually, my expectation is that they will be "riots" rather than "protests" per se. Regardless, I feel certain we will see this soon, in less than a year and probably sooner.

There are many who say Americans are too lazy to protest, that as long as they have beer and TV nothing will happen. Perhaps, but what happens when the beer and TV get repo'd? That's what's happening now. The sofa has been carted off, and we are beyond the beer and TV stage.

It will take a little bit for people to digest the new reality, but I assure you eventually (sooner rather than later, probably), people will "stand up." Whether this leads to improvement or something even worse (anarchy, mob rule, hysterical populist fascism, "great terror", etc.) remains to be seen.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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That is why we have to try for peaceful significant change now and not wait until it is too late. Why we have to stand up, make sacrifices and restore our country and our rights before things deteriorate any further.

I like you can see a Mad Max scenario in our future if we continue to do nothing.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn
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That is why we have to try for peaceful significant change now and not wait until it is too late. Why we have to stand up, make sacrifices and restore our country and our rights before things deteriorate any further.

I like you can see a Mad Max scenario in our future if we continue to do nothing.



Well, I don't know...who is this "we" you speak of...who's going to lead and whose going to follow, who gets to be the chief and who gets to be the indians, too many chefs spoling the soup and not enough bottle-washers...and provided "we" (whatever, again, that means...my town? My country? People who look like me? People who share the same interest? Share the same income level?) get that nasty business sorted out (which history shows is unlikely) then which way are "we" going? Its easy to say"this is wrong" but not so easy to specify what replaces it. Are we going for socialism? Free love? A buddhocracy with a Chakravadin holy king? A Christian commonwealth? No food without work? Where exactly is this holy cruisade of yours headed, mahadeva?

See, I just don't put too much faith in these mass organization strategies...at this point in time and place, I just don't see any practical way this is feasable or makes any sort of sense. If you want me to come march with you, I want to damn well make sure I know where I'm marching off to, and when I ask this question I seem to either get vague head-scratches in reply, or 600 conflicting different plans. I think under the circumstances its best to take it organic...jsut dig in, prepare yourself as best you can, be a good neighbor to those around you unless they are coming at you with a weapon, do what you can for your family and your friends, and when you hear a loud thump at night shoot first and ask questions later. Anything more ideological is askin' for trouble if you ask me. That way lies Robespierre.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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Frankly, I think it's all about media and perception.

Someone gets a twinkle in their eye, one of those "I love liberty and freedom" twinkles. then one of two things happens.

1. "Dancing with the stars" comes on, and they forget.
*2. Sean Hannity comes on, and spins that twinkle right out of their eye.



* could be Hannity or any other non-news reporting talking head of any flavor.

there is no news any more. just a giant media spin cycle. We're made to feel guilty over whatever non-mainstream thought we entertain.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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I am not trying to organize a march. I am not trying to organize any kind of activity.

I guess I am guilty of trying to get others to see that were we are we got here because we were complacent and trusting even when we could clearly see that things were going south.

I have no magic answers but I do know that shutting our eyes and pretending that everything will straighten itself out in due time is a risky strategy.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by NightSkyeB4Dawn
reply to post by silent thunder
 


I am not trying to organize a march. I am not trying to organize any kind of activity.

I guess I am guilty of trying to get others to see that were we are we got here because we were complacent and trusting even when we could clearly see that things were going south.

I have no magic answers but I do know that shutting our eyes and pretending that everything will straighten itself out in due time is a risky strategy.



Well, nothing wrong with trying to wake people up. God bless the internet, I'd feel isolated without it. On the Internet we can see and interact wih so many people who see what you see. And more are waking up each day. So we can take hope in that.

What's less certain is what people are going to do with this knowledge, however. Sadly, I don't see us all moving in the same direction, while many are moving in directions that are destined to clash. Such is history. As a student for history I don't hold out much hope for peaceful solutions to difficult problems. Best in my opinion to stay under the radar and do what you can for your loved ones and those around us. I've got my books and my garden and my stored up supplies and so on and that's the best I can reasonably do.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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What Happened?


Many things happened. Many of them have been touched upon in prior posts so I will not repeat them here.

As I see it, the most significant thing that happened was that we all grew up.

Sometimes that is not such a good thing; but sometimes "growing up" is the only way to survive.

Looking back, those we now call "rebels" and "defenders of Freedom" had an advantage their imitators today sadly lack: the forces of the "Opposition" (who or whatever they might be or represent) are no longer smugly complacent in the security that decades of conformity to the social norm awarded them.

The opposition have learned our "tricks" and have no cumpunction against using them any current crop of "rabble-rousers".


Anyone remember the Chicago police riots of 1968?

Back then "The Whole World Is Watching!" was a new and embarrassing concept, one that effectively brought forth a sense of shame and self-doubt to the then Establishment.

Now, the "Establishment" brings its own cameras to any conflict, "embedding" the press with its armies and packaging its actions for sound-bite fed audiences.


The Old dogs have learned how to turn our new tricks against us.


But do not despair too greatly for our young. Though they may seem dependent, soft, and apathetic, dig deeper.

They have learned a thing or two themselves. They have learned to bide their time, to act in unpredictable ways. They have learned how to employ the techniques of Asymetrical Warfare, techniques they wield with the easy skill we once demostrated painting protest signs.

They have learned that to attack from within the ranks of the opposition is a more effective strategy than massive frontal assults when the enemy is expecting brute force.


The battle continues, but now the game is 3-D chess, instead of Twister!



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