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reply posted on 6-4-2009 @ 08:07 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by Seekerof


Sadly enough, yes. They may have stopped Hussein's use of political jails and torture and spared the Iraqis from Uday Hussein but all they really did was finish off what little remained of the infrastructure after Gulf War II in 1991; poisoned the environment, populace and allied troops with depleted uranium and God knows what else; and killed multitudes of people.

And, pulled the lynchpin on hundreds of years of intertribal and sectarian violence. Not to mention polarizing the entire world against the US and Britain at a time when their support and cooperation is desperately needed on the financial and environmental fronts. We may have succeeded in turning the country into a giant venture for industrialists and cell phone salesmen but how long do you think it will be before the country's water is safe to drink? Fat chance profiting off of future generations, judging by the increase in infant mortality, early death and high birth defect rates reported by WHO and other organizations. You can't turn a country without a healthy and competent workforce into a profit margin, especially when they hate the bossman.


reply posted on 6-4-2009 @ 08:09 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Seekerof



Seekerof, not to be rude or anything, but you seem pretty sure of yourself for a person that doesn't have to live there.

Any person with a measure of intelligence can see through the superficial simplicity of your question and recognize it as an significantly loaded one. Your question is simply not as clear as you would have us believe, and questions like that are what led us into this terrible war to begin with.

He's trying to answer you in the best way he can but it is obvious that you are strongly predisposed to your position and will even go to the arrogant length of believing you know better what is best for Iraq than Iraqis do.

I guess some things never change.


reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 07:20 AM by xpert11
reply to post by almawsil



I'm not sure that I follow your logic . If I understood your post correctly you are saying that providing you didn't oppose Saddam people were better off under his rule then the current democratically elected government . Now if you don't mind I have a question .

Under Saddam rule if you were accused of an act against his rule weren't you as good as in jail or dead ?
The lack of a fair judicial system would have meant that you had no genuine way of defending any of the chargers against you .


reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 07:35 AM by afaik
Originally posted by xpert11
reply to
post by almawsil



I'm not sure that I follow your logic . If I understood your post correctly you are saying that providing you didn't oppose Saddam people were better off under his rule then the current democratically elected government . Now if you don't mind I have a question .

Under Saddam rule if you were accused of an act against his rule weren't you as good as in jail or dead ?
The lack of a fair judicial system would have meant that you had no genuine way of defending any of the chargers against you .


Yeah right,
Let me ask YOU,
What would you do if some Americans were dragging you off to some illegally run, secretly controlled camp in Egypt?

Tell me how the "judicial system" for suspects now is any different to suspects under Saddam?



It all depends what side of the fence you sit on.


reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 01:46 PM by almawsil
Originally posted by xpert11
reply to
post by almawsil



Under Saddam rule if you were accused of an act against his rule weren't you as good as in jail or dead ?
The lack of a fair judicial system would have meant that you had no genuine way of defending any of the chargers against you .


As I already mentioned that although he was a dictator, he did not kill that number of innocent or non-innocent civilian as the US army did. we all known Iraq was under pressure of embargo which imposed on the poor Iraqis only but not on saddams family, for more than 13 years, there were more than 1 million infants have lost their life because they couldn’t get the right injection or a bottle of milk .there were no way to mess up with the internal security of Baghdad. Many forbidden parties and exterior organization and even individuals who were supported by Iranian regime committed crime against Iraqi .like the plot of the university of almustansria ,many students were murdered or even saddam himself once was on visit to a small village when a group of armed men opened fire and tried to assassinate him and many incidents were the reason to make him act like this . We could analyze it if you want to ……
If you really looking for facts and trying to recognize the reasons behind the crimes which had been committed against Iraqi in general or the shiaa or Kurds as you pretend we have to discuss every individual incident to come out with facts which could be taken as evident or recourses to be used in court or any judicial institute. But all this was not our concern and would not be the reason to justify the war on Iraq and kill 1, 5 million Iraqi.







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reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 04:06 PM by almawsil
Originally posted by afaik
Originally posted by xpert11
reply to
post by almawsil



I'm not sure that I follow your logic . If I understood your post correctly you are saying that providing you didn't oppose Saddam people were better off under his rule then the current democratically elected government . Now if you don't mind I have a question .

Under Saddam rule if you were accused of an act against his rule weren't you as good as in jail or dead ?
The lack of a fair judicial system would have meant that you had no genuine way of defending any of the chargers against you .


Yeah right,
Let me ask YOU,
What would you do if some Americans were dragging you off to some illegally run, secretly controlled camp in Egypt?

Tell me how the "judicial system" for suspects now is any different to suspects under Saddam?



It all depends what side of the fence you sit on.


Sir you are absolutely correct


reply posted on 7-4-2009 @ 06:10 PM by almawsil

Mainly they were home grown insurgents, following one cause or another depending on where their loyalties lay. Some did come from outside of Iraq, and the U.S. military tried to seal the borders as best as possible. Their extreme religious views apparently gave them the excuse to murder innocent people to further their own cause.


Poor comment, but why ? you can not convince any simple Iraqi with these few lines
Before the occupation, Iraq has secular governments since the 20th century till 2003 no extremist at all. So that we conclude that the occupation has caused increasing in fundamentalist....



Nobody has claimed that there weren't components of the U.S. military who did things that they should not have done, but to put all the blame on the U.S. for what has happened in Iraq is blinding oneself to the realities.


I guess ,every American unite has done horrible things to the innocent people ....look at the media and watch what they posted ...in Arabic we say what has been hidden ,being greater , that means what did the media show is only a little .



Don't forget, the embargoes were place on Iraq to keep Saddam from obtaining weapons to attack his neighbors, which seemed to be his main objective in life.



Wow really? I didn’t know it at all that saddam obtained weapon of mass destruction!! Come on man I cannt believe this any more




If you don't want to read different perspectives on the whole thing, why post here?


it ain`t a matter of different perspectives but rather a true or false !!



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