reply to post by Ursus Major
You know, you repeat this an awful lot. I have plenty of practice in that which I believe to be important. Very little of what you offer
interests me. I have no desire to practice that which is not beneficial to myself or others. Your approach is in no way beneficial to a great deal of
the world's population. You refuse to accept this of course, but this is to be expected of one such as yourself. Those with abilities will understand
my meaning.
Yes Ursus Major...I do indeed repeat this a lot and have also had plenty of practice on these boards. I too have no desire to practice that which is
not beneficial to me.
However I agree my approach is in no way beneficial to a great deal of the worlds population. Why should it be?? What obligation do I owe which makes
such benefit to the "Great deal " of the worlds population necessary by default as is attempting to be implied in many of these posts...by guilt
conditioning?? For guilt conditioning you can substitute the words ..censorship and or control.
Indeed..to quote you ...those with understanding will comprehend my meaning here.
As to these items you quote here...
* it is governed by love, for if it is not, it's worthless ( 1 Corinthians 13:1-3);
* it centers us onto Jesus the Christ and Lord ( 1 Cor 12:3), and His good news;
* it directs us to Scripture, not away from it ( Isaiah 8:19, 20);
* it builds up the church and its members ( Ephesians 4:11-12), giving it power, wisdom, character, boldness, and unity.
* it helps create in us a love of righteousness, a heightened sense of sin, and a turning away from known evil.
You have left out a great deal in this...and most of what you have here is of the Eastern Pagan template.
Love is emphasised greatly in pagan templates of operation in order to get the greatest amount or number of peoples into the fold.
What is not emphasised here in your quote is the Whole Council of God.
In that council we are not to take on the appearance of the world. We are to separate leven from unleaven, new wine from olde...light from
darkness.
One thing is clear from the Old Testament unto the New...Believers ...are never to define themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation..for the
pagan nations which made up the "Great Deal " of the worlds population were already doing this conduct. It was already well covered by these other
nations.
Taking on the values and beliefs of a "Great Deal " of the world does not create unity..but division in the Word of God.
This last part of your quote above..should be with a capital R in the word Righteousness.
*it helps create in us a love of Righteousness, a heightened sense of sin, and a turning away from known evil.
By this the Believer knows it is not their Righteousness but His Righteousness.
This is the template of the conflict...those who would attempt to establish their righteousness....by works. By default. And those who are only
interested in His Righteousness which they know through His Word.
Indeed...most of the Great Deal of the worlds population are in the pattern of the known evil. This should be obvious from a read of history.
Oh..yes..and before I forget Love..capital L..is also one of His names among many of His names. By this I do not mean love in the Human reasoning and
sense.
'Discernment' is sometimes used as a catch-word for speaking against others (as with some 'discernment ministries'), or to defeat them
in a struggle for power or influence, or just to pick at them until they quit or retreat. Discerning eyes look for whether something that's labeled
'discernment' is done from love, or whether it just is a clanging gong or a noisy cymbal. Jesus didn't call us to love ideas, he called us to love
people. John put it as bluntly as he could :
You are misleading and misdirecting here. Discernement is also used to Judge so as to have the knowledge of when to separate leven from unleaven, new
wine from olde, darkness from light.
THe "Great Deal " of the worlds population tend to take the actions of this discernment and Judging to separate from the world as "Hate." and try
to label it as such. This is an attempt to censor and default through by the method of guilt conditioning. It is indeed an attempt at censorship.
Jesus called us to love the brethren. Not to love all people...not to love darkness and light both. Jesus did not call us to love...both new wine and
olde, Leven and unleaven. You are leaving out an important part of His instruction. For we are in this world but not of this world.
Your reasoning would have us in this world and of this world. A huge quantum step in human reasoning.
When discerning, the Christian must keep in mind why he/she is doing it. Ask yourself, "If I raise this issue, how am I pointing people to
Christ? How am I helping them grow in the Spirit? In what way am I loving them?" If there's no answer to those questions, or if you have to stretch
far and wide to come up with a complicated or weak answer, then it's best not to speak. Indeed, it's time to focus on listening, because it may be
your time to learn.
Once again ..you do not distinguish between new wine and olde, leven and unleaven, light and darkness.
For Believers know that God does not dwell among impurity..The Doctrine and practice of the Lord was among purity....both Old and New Testament. It is
not among mixed doctrine and practice.
Take care and God Bless,
Orangetom
