posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 05:21 PM
A few thoughts.
Originally posted by RubberBaron
In my example of Leviticus 20:13, would you really support even the more hardcore interpretations, such as:
# NIV: (New International Version) "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put
to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
It's all in the translation, or rather in referring to the text as closely to the original as possible. The "must" (or "certainly", "surely",
"will be" in various translations) is a rendering of the Hebrew "kiy" which is conceptual and denotes a causal relationship. So, homosexual
activity causes "death." The concept is used many times in the OT and in Chapter 20 of Leviticus alone 9 times. In certain cases the manner of their
death is prescribed as a punishment.
For Christians the punishment is not ours to carry out, death as the wages of sin is in hte life to come where repentence is lacking. The sinner
themselves, in rejecting God, become their own judge and executioner as it were.
Those "Christians" who might persist in calling for death at human hands for any such sinners should read a few verses before 13, verse 10. That
should immediately call to mind the woman caught in adultery and Christ's "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:1-11). As this
applies to that particular verse it clearly applies to the other in the context of the whole Gospels and the opportunity afforded to all to repent.
Homosexual activity is intrinsically evil, as is adultery, the punishment is not anyone's to render except God - or more particularly the individual
themselves who does not take the opportunities to repent give (and a few other caveats from the grace and mercy of God!) Leviticus 20 is not nullified
by Christ but completed - the dire warning against such behaviour remains while the proper executor of punishment is "changed."
Hate crimes do need to be legislated against but always with caution regarding who decides what is a hate crime. Quoting Leviticus is not a hate crime
where properly understood, using Leviticus as a means of encouraging violence against homosexuals is. There's where we get into a very difficult
area. If someone does an act of violence against a homosexual and claims their pastor said they had to, if that does not correspond with the pastor's
intent why should the pastor be charged with a hate crime? If people's interpretation of another's words is grounds for proclaiming such words as
hate crimes then Hollywood better look out - "the movie told me to do it."
One final point, the Matthew Shepherd Act includes disability - will Planned Parenthood be guilty of hate crimes then when they enable the abortion of
disabled children? Will doctors who recommend terminations? Will President Obama? Will any here who justify/accept abortion on the grounds of
The voiceless unborn have hate speech and actions directed against them individually and collectively day after day in the western world. Sort that
out first which imperils our claim to be civilised and lead to the disrespect for life which permeates culture, diminishes us all, and lends to the
unstable a justification for their hate filled attacks against people they don't like or want.