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Congress to Revive Hate Crime Bill to Censor Christians

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posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by jfj123
 


It's weird that we are arguing. Nothing personal just a difference of opinion I guess. Later we can go back and discuss thing we do agree on.




After all we arent all clones. That would make a boring debate! Onward,





[edit on 8-4-2009 by wonderworld]

Sorry I didn't even realize we were arguing. I was under the impression we were discussing some commonalities in our thoughts. Look I respect your opinions because they're obviously well thought out and not off the cuff like so many others here.
I even believe that much of what you say in the short term may come to pass. What I'm seeing is what you might call the endgame for societal evolution.

I've seen your posts in other threads and do find them very interesting and well thought out
Regardless of whether or not we agree on everything, I hope to see you posting in other threads with your usual quality




posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


Ok I'm giving you a star for this



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


Ok I'm giving you a star for this



Thanks. It's funny, but it's not, if you get my drift.

To be honest, this guy scares me.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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Ok here's the thing people.
Many people have many different beliefs and views.
Some people may not approve of gay people. I personally don't care if they're gay or not. I'm not and that's who I am. They are and that is who they are. Live and let live. Why do some people have to try and change others???? Why do some people try to persecute others? Why do some people have to suppress others????

I personally don't approve of creationists, scientologists, westburo baptist church members, islamic extremists and douchbags that date hot chicks.

I however tolerate all these individuals except the douchbags.

....and one other group:
Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


Ok I'm giving you a star for this



Thanks. It's funny, but it's not, if you get my drift.

To be honest, this guy scares me.


I think he scares a lot of people

Every time I respond to him I feel like I should say Mein furor


He's a perfect example of why I chose one of Nietzsche's quotes in my avatar
"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth then lies"



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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I should have re-worded that to severely debating the issue. Sometimes we all have strong opinions we want to get out.

I see some issues going on about Christians VS Gay people.

I actually think it's wrong, whether I was a Christian or not.

I do sometimes feel bad for those that may think they are doomed to hell for it and push the Bible away.

Only the dude upstairs knows the answer to that debate, what makes them tick and possibly chromosome issues, as well.




[edit on 8-4-2009 by wonderworld]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

Also, does the Inquisition ring a bell?
or the burning of the library at Alexandria?
or the westburo baptist church?
or the abortion clinic bombings?
etc...

Yes men have done evil things all through history but what is your point? I am no more responsible for that than you are and Chritianity is no more responsible for that than the Beatles are for Charles Manson having Sharon Tate Jay Sebring and Abigail Folger killed being inspired by the song "helter skelter"


YEP. You see we tolerate you so if you want continued tolerance, you should tolerate others.
JUDGE NOT OTHERS LEST YE BE JUDGEDNOPE.


Christians and non-believers both use this statement often to try to avoid exposure of wrongdoing in their lives

You have probably heard this saying many times: "You should not judge a book by its cover," but what if the cover of the book reads "PlayBoy Magazine?" Should we make a judgment about PlayBoy or should we open the book to investigate? The answer is obvious. We should avoid this book because of the warning sign written on the cover. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 NIV says: "Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil." King James Version of this same verse passage says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil." So we definitely should judge all things (movies, books, music, and behavior of people).
When the Bible says not to judge it is talking about the bad type of judging. So in order not to practice the bad kind of judging, we must understand the two types of judging.

Two Types of Judging

1. Discerning (Good Judging)

Exposing
Correcting and Rebuking

If we have examined ourselves and we are not guilty of the same sin (see 1 Corinthians 11:27-31), it may be necessary to expose, rebuke, and correct someone; especially if the person doing wrong is another believer.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NIV says: "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

2 Timothy 4:2 NIV says: "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage- with great patience and careful instruction." Notice that in this verse we are told to rebuke and encourage; so we should not correct if we do not encourage.

Titus 2:15 NIV says: "These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you."

Ephesians 5:11 NIV says: "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."

1 Corinthians 2:15-16 NIV says: "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

So, believers should judge all matters and issues.

I John 4:1 NIV says: "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." Believers should test the spirits behind a person's action to see if the action brings glory to God.

Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, judged someone in the church. See 1 Corinthians 5:1-13. Then see 2 Corinthians 2:5-11 to see where Paul encourages the church to forgive the person.


People who practice the bad kind of judging often are guilty of the same sin they are using to belittle another person. Jesus addressed this scenario in Matthew 7:1-5 and Luke 6:41-42, and these are the verses which people sometimes twist in order to defend their sinful desires. The problem is that people sometimes quote Matthew 7:1 only which reads "Do not judge, or you too will be judged" (NIV), but one must also read verses 2-5 to understand the point Jesus was making. The point Jesus was making was not to judge someone of the same sin we have in our own lives. Another way to look at the point Jesus was making is by answering this question: How can a person help someone escape quicksand if that person is also stuck in the same quicksand?



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


It's just common sense why a Christian would own one just as it is common sense for you to act like a smart alec when you have nothing substantive to offer. That's ok I expect unsaved people to act like it



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Christians and non-believers both use this statement often to try to avoid exposure of wrongdoing in their lives

Not at all. You see on this planet, there are many different people with many different beliefs and all wish to have the respected. This seems reasonable to most people accept you and your intolerance and hatred.


You have probably heard this saying many times: "You should not judge a book by its cover," but what if the cover of the book reads "PlayBoy Magazine?"

It's actually a magazine and they do have pretty good articles. The pictures aren't what they used to be due to all the touching up they do now



Should we make a judgment about PlayBoy or should we open the book to investigate?
The answer is obvious. We should avoid this book because of the warning sign written on the cover.

Yes because the human body is evil ....rolls eyes...

You really need to learn to me tolerant of others before your hatred destroys you or those around you.
"JUDGE NOT OTHERS LEST YE BE JUDGED"



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


It's just common sense why a Christian would own one just as it is common sense for you to act like a smart alec when you have nothing substantive to offer. That's ok I expect unsaved people to act like it


I'd ask you how you know you're saved but you seem to know the ultimate will of god. You know, the supreme being who's plan for the universe, noone can truly know except you apparently

Again, the height of hubris !

you are what's known as a zealot aka extremist.

You should consider a quote from nietzsche
"convictions are more dangerous foes of truth then lies"

Your beliefs are more important to you then the truth. Frankly, that is DISTURBING. This is the same mentality that brought down the trade towers on September 11, 2001.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by UrsusMajor

Originally posted by Aermacchi


The Bible assumes its readers will have common sense


[edit on 8-4-2009 by Aermacchi]


Then what are you doing with a copy?


It's just common sense why a Christian would own one just as it is common sense for you to act like a smart alec when you have nothing substantive to offer. That's ok I expect unsaved people to act like it


Actually, I have been baptised, and I know more then you think.

All I am doing is giving you a pulpit. You are taking care of the rest.

I only want others to see the bigotry.

BTW: You'll probably see this as a compliment, but you remind me of Paul.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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Look at Obama's pastor...



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 09:33 PM
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I guess you can call me a big BIGOT!! Why not outlaw faggots instead of Christian Thought. We were founded on freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I believe in Texas it is still illegal to perform gay sex acts, and several other states as well. Why not inforce those laws?? We should follow the TEN Commandments not the 10 tenents of socialism.

“The frustrating thing is that those who are attacking religion claim they are doing it in the name of tolerance. Question: Isn’t the real truth that they are intolerant of religion?” | Ronald Reagan, August 23, 1984

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” | John Adams.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 10:54 PM
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The Voice is a biased and untruthful and emotional platform. Their business is to sell copies and advertising to perpetuate themselves. Martyrdom is hot copy and good for business.

Spewing off like Jeremiah White and Jerry Fallwell in political topics is so low brow and lacking in intelligence. I have seen this kind of situation before: "oooo, they've taken away prayer in schools." I know that that is ridiculous and if you ask a JEWISH kid, he'd laugh, too. You pray all the time in your mind. Everybody prays and even if you are swearing, that's actually a prayer, too. Jews have lived under these conditions and this is NOT a theocracy, Papal State, or monarchy of the divine right of hereditary priest kings. That's why we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights which includes free speech, the right to question authority, and everything else that you know.

We are NOT losing our freedoms, except in overly expensive redundant surveillance data gathering. See ... you have the same right to know more about how computers actually work and learn how to protect yourself.

There's some people who wish for an Islamic USA, with all 300M of us bowing down in unison at the same moment! There are probably people here who wish that parishes would be considered political units for taxation.

Jesus Christ in his lifetime never excluded anyone. Can't you accept that?
No! To easy!
Rather wear chainmail hauberk, with red cross of John The Baptist on your chest!

Please accept everyone! Do business with everyone! Work together in the work places with universality! Yes this is a new age of enlightenment which is all about harmony and accepting everyone!

Church sermons are public events and are often televised. Urging the followers to boycott and shun anyone is exercising public free speech. It's very damaging and counter-productive to everyone in the community, however, if the preachers continually plea for shunning and boycotting your fellow citizens. Our glue in this country is The Constitution and Bill of Rights. Quakers were no given free right to harass other people! The founding fathers of this country knew that.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

You see on this planet, there are many different people with many different beliefs and all wish to have the respected. This seems reasonable to most people accept you and your intolerance and hatred.


It may seem reasonable for you to give respect to those whose lives are mired in sin, depravity, lust, indulgence, violence, pride and arrogance as we see through the thin veneer of your mean spirited innuendo that assumes you think you have the upper hand either by using guilt by association and now the logical fallacy ad-populim while you make yet another assertion I am full of hate when you display every single solitary trait you have accused me of.


It's actually a magazine and they do have pretty good articles. The pictures aren't what they used to be due to all the touching up they do now



I take it you still got the point?


Yes because the human body is evil ....rolls eyes....


Is it?



You really need to learn to me tolerant of others before your hatred destroys you or those around you.



NO you see, that is just it, I don't HAVE to tolerate anyone and I am a bit surprised YOU of all people would be giving anyone advice on a subject you have proven ain't your strong suit.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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I think all Gay men should be allowed to serve in the Military. None of that dondt tell stuff.

Put them on the front lines. This way all the non-Gay men will still be alive to reproduce and Marry.

I still have the opinion most guys are either married or Gay. Sometimes both.

P.S I dont hate Gays but woman need men to be men period.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by wonderworld]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123


you are what's known as a zealot aka extremist.

You should consider a quote from nietzsche
"convictions are more dangerous foes of truth then lies"

Your beliefs are more important to you then the truth. Frankly, that is DISTURBING. This is the same mentality that brought down the trade towers on September 11, 2001.




I'd ask you how you know you're saved but you seem to know the ultimate will of god.


Is that a question or an assumption?




You know, the supreme being who's plan for the universe, noone can truly know except you apparently



Apparently you know more than I if that is what you think you know.



Again, the height of hubris !


Indeed, especially since you have made two assumptions about opinions YOU suggest I have about myself as if said such things and if that isn't desperate enough, you conclude this apparent conversation you are vicariously having with me and you criticize me for my hubris!

Again, you have proven my point, you are everything you have accused me of being .



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by adodson
I guess you can call me a big BIGOT!! Why not outlaw faggots instead of Christian Thought. We were founded on freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I believe in Texas it is still illegal to perform gay sex acts, and several other states as well. Why not inforce those laws?? We should follow the TEN Commandments not the 10 tenents of socialism.

“The frustrating thing is that those who are attacking religion claim they are doing it in the name of tolerance. Question: Isn’t the real truth that they are intolerant of religion?” | Ronald Reagan, August 23, 1984

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” | John Adams.


Now see, here,, MOST of you would find this person hard to tolerate. Most of you would express your superior ability for tolerance by calling this persons a bigot and a hater, ripping on him like I have seen you do to every Christian that has stepped foot in this thread.

This would only prove I have more tolerance than any of you because I could tolerate posts like this all day like water off a ducks back. Hell I could go as far as sharing a good word with this type of person saying GREAT POST!

You see? Now can you do treat him with the same respect you are expecting from me?

Yeah, uh huh



posted on Apr, 9 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC


1. Sarah Reynolds
William Jameson
and no it wasn't only 20 people and they were male and females burned.


I'm sorry, you are correct,

it was 19




You are insane. You are thinking im referring to the salem witch hunt. Im talking about the persecution of witches in Europe where my kin were burned mercilessly. By the way, In Salem they were hung, not burned.


I'M INSANE! I AM????

First sherlock, let me just say when you mentioned your kin's witch persecution by Christians, and I asked you who your kin was that died it was so I could find the geneology to see if they were what 99.99999% of the great aggregation of the many Christians you are assaulting here would have given as the SALEM witch trials. I mean WHAT was I thinking!

Insane? HA HA HA No what is insane is that YOUR kin were living in Boston and Salem Sarah Reynolds
www.familyorigins.com...


So before the next time you try googling your way out of something you could have just as easily saved face but insisted you wriggle your way out of this. Make sure YOU get the FACTS!




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