Riot Cops Killed Newspaper Seller At G20

I've just given it its own thread, as this one was moving on a bit, and I fel that it needed a wider audience than those that were left posting on here.


It's utterly disgusting, isn't it. I'm actually rather sad about it.

reply to post by Acidtastic


To be honest, it does look as if that one officer does give him an almighty push, but fairs fair, that chap seemed to be deliberately not moving and following clear instruction.

I do not see how that shove could have caused a heart attack though, he didn't seem to hit his head in this clip.

The man was probably well on his way to a heart attack anyway and seemed fine when he got up, no obvious injury and he was walking with his hands in his pockets. Not the behaviour of someone who "cracked their head" on the pavement, as claimed.

EDIT for spelling.

[edit on 7/4/09 by stumason]

reply to post by stumason


This was just one of the times he was pushed to the ground. I witnessed him pushed over at least one other time. He had been drinking and he wasn't the most steady on his legs.

Stu, you can't see how he lands, so how can you say he didn't hit his head? Yes, his hands are out, but they're out well wide, and his face is very close to the level of his hands. You land like that after a few drinks, and you're cracking your head on the floor. Also, see his head is rather red on one side. (simular to the close up picture I posted a few pages back) They are murderers, you can't defend it, it's right there infront of you. On film. In slo mo.

and edit...Fairs fair???? So you think that it's perfectly ok for police to attack someone, just because he was walking a bit too close to them, and cos he didn't blindly follow what they said? He wanted no part of the protest, he wanted to go home FFS

[edit on 7/4/2009 by Acidtastic]

Originally posted by Acidtastic
I've just given it its own thread, as this one was moving on a bit, and I fel that it needed a wider audience than those that were left posting on here

Creating yet more practically identical threads on the debate isn't going to make your message reach a wider audience, or amke your current one any clearer, as you have no coherent message to sell

If, however, you present a well packaged image , and well thought out argument and pose solutions to the problems you highlight, you will attract an audience of those whom you wish to reach and influence

Even Nick Griffin of the BNP understands this basic principle of image marketing, and presents himself as a smartly dressed image, with a coherent arguement to present his parties particular message. I don't agree with his and his parties views, but I can clearly see how he has marketed the brand image to appeal to a wider audience

The same goes for the 'anarchist' image...you'll not reach or influence a wider audience with wild-dyed hair and piercings. Thats not my perception, but is the one commonly held by the average majority.

Don't believe me? Take a walk down your high street and look at the chain stores...they are selling the image first, and the implied message second

Why do iPhones sell so well? Are the adverts focussing on how they work and how easy they are to use?

No, its all about lifestyle image...the perception of how others will view you for choosing that particular product, and assume your aspirations, how you live your life, how you socialise...etc

Until that happens, it'll forever remain a marginalised cause

you've not watched the video I take it citzen? (bottom of last page)

His crime was "walking too close to the police" and "trying to get home" He was walking away from them when they struck, he had his hands in his pockets FFS.

This is indefensible action from the police.

reply to post by citizen smith


Have you even looked at the guardian footage of Mr Tomlinson being assaulted? It's plain to see how heavy handed the riot police were to defensive protesters. That is the point of this thread I'm sure. Not to set out a plan of how we are going to save the world.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by stumason

As it happens, the IPC have been engaged, so I think I will hold off on my judgement before berating the Police who, despite a few ugly scenes caused by "anarchists" throwing stuff, actually managed to peacefully police the G20 summit.

You do know these "peaceful protestors" were actually throwing projectiles at the Police whilst they tried to save the mans life? Just remember that...

You know that these peaceful protestors were NOT throwing anything at the police whilst they tried to save the mans life. Simply not true... If anything it was the protestors who tried to save the mans life BEFORE the police got to him.... go figure.

Oh and as an eyewitness to the events on the night (not during the day) i suggest you go and look up the rules to peaceful policing, 'cos i don't know what your idea of that is, but smashing people in the teeth with shields, hitting innocent bystanders and whacking anybody who got too close with a truncheon isn't my idea of peace.

Seriously, unless you actually saw the events unfold, then you have no reliable source to believe. I was there.....

I have to disagree with you there mate, i was there and i did witness people throwing things while they were trying to help, because i jumped in front of the circle of police and pleaded with people not to throw anything else, if you was there you might remember a guy in a grey jumper doing that?

im on your side tottaly and it was completely the mets fault people were only throwing things because of the previous actions of the police, i believe the scum police deserve everything they got and will get

but after that happened the police actaully stopped the ambulance coming through, so what have we got here we have the footage on channel 4 of ian getting hit for no reason their refusal to let the ambulance through and being the cause of his death? if that dont get a prosecution then i dont know what will

reply to post by RE2505


I watched the very same footage on this evening Channel 4 news, and from what I saw, there wasn't anything very clear on the moments of interaction between the group of officers and Mr Tomlinson just before what appeared to be one of the police shoving him causing him to stumble and fall.

During the interview with his son on C4 news, he said that his father had tried several times in vain to take other routes through the police-cordon area and kept having to double back...could the police actions have been provoked by him swearing in frustration at them?

Watch the clip very closely, his movements just prior do look somewhat odd, almost as if he seems in distress...the way he seems to pace for a few steps, like he's confused, or drunk...and could be an indicator of restricted blood flow to the brain caused by the very first tremors of the heart attack that finally killed him.

That's probably because the cop hit him in the leg with a baton? That's some serious pain right there.

Clearly this is a murder caught on video. We have a guy in my state that was convicted of 2nd degree murder for punching a guy that fell to the ground and hit his head that resulted in his death. He’s doing 15 years or something.

I don't blame all the police for this murder - just the one that came up from behind and stuck this man to the ground that eventually resulted in his death.

Can the murderer be identified with this video and by his fellow co-workers that were witnesses? If they don’t identify him they should all be fired and convicted of interfering with a murder investigation.

I’m glad this was caught on video so that the truth can be seen by everyman on earth that has an Internet connection. I hope if this cop is not convicted and put away, that his name and address will be known so he can be hunted by all.

Even if he is identified he wont be convicted. That's the way the system works these days

Originally posted by citizen smith
reply to post by RE2505

 

Watch the clip very closely, his movements just prior do look somewhat odd, almost as if he seems in distress...the way he seems to pace for a few steps, like he's confused, or drunk...

eye witnesses say that the footage we see here is the second time (at least) he was pushed over. Apparently footage of that exists aswell somewhere (in a CCTV far far away I bet) so we'll have to wait until that one surfaces, if it does. He could have been dissorientated from previously being hit/pushed.

Originally posted by citizen smith
reply to post by RE2505

 

I watched the very same footage on this evening Channel 4 news, and from what I saw, there wasn't anything very clear on the moments of interaction between the group of officers and Mr Tomlinson just before what appeared to be one of the police shoving him causing him to stumble and fall.

I was stood next to this man and spoke to him minutes before he died just after he was pushed to the ground for standing in front of a riot van trying to get through. He was drunk and did seem to be deliberately ignoring/defying the police. He told me he was used to it as he was a Millwall fan and was familiar with riot police. It seemed to me that he thought as long as he didn't react to the police they couldn't touch him. when he was talking to me he was calm and softly spoken. He didn't swear at them, he didn't raise a fist to them. He just drunkenly ambled around while the police barked orders and threats and generally pushed PEACEFUL protesters around. Unfortunately I can't comment on what happened just before the final "push" as we were separated but I expect he did nothing more than quietly defy the pigs. After all this was his work area, he had every right to be there. Last time I looked the streets of London were not private property. I don't care for the idea that the police were trying to secure the area. I already told you the streets behind them were clear and they still pushed us all the way back over London bridge.

Stephen Moss (writer for guardian) just put this up

When the Guardian offered this astonishing footage to the BBC News at 6, apparently the response was "No thanks, we're not covering this, we see it as just a London story." Great news sense down there at TV Centre.

Brilliant work by Paul Lewis to pull apart the Met's web of lies. Now let's hope the new commissioner will set about changing this masonic, closed-ranks culture ... or is that wild optimism on my part? A police force that lies through is teeth is, in effect, no police force at all.

BBC nazi supporting scum.

Originally posted by RE2505
I was stood next to this man and spoke to him minutes before he died just after he was pushed to the ground for standing in front of a riot van trying to get through. He was drunk and did seem to be deliberately ignoring/defying the police.

If what you say here is true regarding what you saw...

A drunken person standing in front of a police van attempting to get through, who deliberately refused/ignored the need/demand to move by police..

Then it's looking so cut-and-dried 'murder of an innocent bystander' really is it?

More like a drunk repeatedly antagonising the riot-police, and was shoved back as a direct result of his own actions, resulting unfortunately in his death

reply to post by RE2505


yeah its bollocks the way people and the media are claiming they were "securing" the area there was nothing to secure the area from in the first place, they done nothing but push people about peacefull people i lost count of how many times i saw the police hitting innocent people

i was also pushed all the way back to the bridge tried crossed tower bridge to get back to the the climate camp but when i got there they had locked everybody in

reply to post by citizen smith


Here is my post from a few pages back...

"As much as I hate to admit it and although I firmly believe that the police ultimately caused his death the guy wasn't as innocent as he is being made out to be. Please read my account on the last page."

Originally posted by Acidtastic
I've just given it its own thread, as this one was moving on a bit, and I fel that it needed a wider audience than those that were left posting on here.


It's utterly disgusting, isn't it. I'm actually rather sad about it.

Where's this thread mate? I can't seem to find it anywhere? Can somebody please link me up with this new thread please? Incidentally, I think this video does require it's own thread. Many thanks.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by paul76]

Drunk or not, and i doubt that he was because he had just left his workplace, if he was not violent or aggressive toward the police then they had NO business assaulting him!!!
Hopefully someone who knows who this officer is will release his name and he will get what's coming to him. I feel his name should be released so his partner,parents,children etc will know him for what he really is.