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Topic started on 22-4-2004 @ 10:26 AM by J0HNSmith
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A leaked UN report has angered Arab leaders because it sheds light on an emerging situation created by the Sudanese government that promoted the
systematic rape of non-arab women. Along with murder and destruction of property supposedly owned by rebels, hundreds of thousands of people have fled
to neighboring Chad, and an estimated 700,000 people have been left homeless due to the governments crack down on non-arab rebels.
Sudan Tribune Article
The report states "...a policy of using rape and other serious forms of sexual violence as a weapon of war seems to exist...There are consistent
reports amongst refugee women from various locations that 'men in uniform' raped and abused women and young girls."
"Rape was often committed by more than one man, sometimes in front of the victim's family," it said.
"U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the commission earlier this month that he had 'a deep sense of foreboding' about reports that Arab
militia groups, with government backing, were engaged in 'ethnic cleansing' against Africans in the province."
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:29 AM by worldwatcher
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can you clarify if this is a muslim/non muslim issue or an arab/black/white issue?
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:30 AM by Facefirst
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Thanks for putting that up.
I was just thinking about that situation yesterday and was wondering why the media has turned a blind-eye to it.
What is going on over there is disgusting.
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:33 AM by LadyJaguar
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
can you clarify if this is a muslim/non muslim issue or an arab/black/white issue? 
Muslim/nonMuslim. They don't distinguish skin color as we do here in the states.
However... rape has ALWAYS been used as a tool of oppression and control during times of war. Every civilization, every age. And no, American
soldiers aren't innocent of that, either (thankfully it's fairly rare for soldiers of First World countries to do this.)
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:35 AM by worldwatcher
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why I asked that question is that sudan is largely a muslim population. It could be an arab muslim against a non arab muslim situation. I'm just
trying to learn if muslims are attacking muslims because of skin color?
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:36 AM by J0HNSmith
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
can you clarify if this is a muslim/non muslim issue or an arab/black/white issue? 
Read the articles and you will know as much as I do. In my best opinion I would say that a majority of the rebels were non-muslim and black, but most
the government forces are Muslim and black. That is just my uninformed assumption though, let me do a little more research and I'll get back to you
with something better, maybe check the CIA FOIA country guide to take a look at the country demographics.
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:48 AM by J0HNSmith
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ok here ya go, according to the CIA:
Ethnic groups: black 52%, Arab 39%, Beja 6%, foreigners 2%, other 1%
Religions: Sunni Muslim 70% (in north), indigenous beliefs 25%, Christian 5% (mostly in south and Khartoum)
Languages: Arabic (official), Nubian, Ta Bedawie, diverse dialects of Nilotic, Nilo-Hamitic, Sudanic languages, English
note: program of "Arabization" in process.
Hmmmm, this seems intresting "Sunni Muslim 70%" aren't the Sunni's in Iraq the ones causeing a majority of the problems? I guess their reach of
terror reaches past Iraq's borders.
Military regimes favoring Islamic-oriented governments have dominated national politics since independence from the
UK in 1956. Sudan has been embroiled in a civil war for all but 10 years of this period (1972-82). The wars are rooted in northern economic,
political, and social domination of non-Muslim, non-Arab southern Sudanese. Since 1983, the war and war- and famine-related effects have led to more
than 2 million deaths and over 4 million people displaced. The ruling regime is a mixture of military elite and an Islamist party that came to power
in a 1989 coup. Some northern opposition parties have made common cause with the southern rebels and entered the war as a part of an anti-government
alliance.
Taken from : www.cia.gov...
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 10:50 AM by J0HNSmith
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So in light of those facts it does look like Muslim arabs are attempting to ethnically cleanse black non-arabs.
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 03:12 PM by longbow
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Yes right the muslim Arabs dont like the black muslims. Arabs are minority in Sudan but they control the country politacaly and economicaly. The
blacks want also their piece of cake - that means civil war.
About sunni muslims - majority (over 90%) of muslims are sunni. The shi muslims live only in Iran, Iraq, and minorities in Lebanon and Pakistan.
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reply posted on 22-4-2004 @ 04:39 PM by worldwatcher
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thanks for information both of you, it would seem this is a muslim on muslim crime but based on regular prejudices and racism about skin color. It is
quite a shame, but honestly, these people should be left alone to work it among themselves. I don't even think the UN should be involved in this
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reply posted on 23-4-2004 @ 02:40 PM by J0HNSmith
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What did the UN decide to do about this alarming situation? In their own words:
"The government has now agreed to admit the UN team - but not in time for it to report back to the commission this week, delaying any action until
next year."
I guess this is just the planet we live on, yeah earth. It's the type of place where we sit and watch innocent people die and be raped while eating
burger-king simply because the area it's happening in isn't "of political interest" and has no oil. Welcome to earth, this is who we are.
news.independent.co.uk...
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reply posted on 23-4-2004 @ 03:45 PM by Facefirst
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It is unbelievable what is going on over there and disgusting that it is barely being reported here in the US.
Sudan bloodshed
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reply posted on 24-4-2004 @ 12:38 PM by CommonSense
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The UN has identified it as a rape "policy". From what I've seen it doesn't look like a policy but rather a bunch of thugs without any
control.
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reply posted on 24-4-2004 @ 12:42 PM by J0HNSmith
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Yes they did, didn't you read the articals? it's even quoted in the first post.
"policy of using rape and other serious forms of sexual violence as a weapon of war seems to exist."
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reply posted on 24-4-2004 @ 01:34 PM by parrhesia
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It is really unfortunate to read about this kind of thing, but it's true. When it comes to war there are always many, many stories of rape and sexual
violence as a tool.
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reply posted on 24-4-2004 @ 11:10 PM by Seekerof
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I have said it since day one on this board, I'll say it again: The UN is so screwed up that it amounts to a sham. The UN is defunct and its time to
disband them or seriously restructure this 'outfit'.
Just found these:
Sudan welcomes UN rights panel's weak text on Darfur atrocities
Notice the word 'weak'? The UN is so screwed up on what is and has been taking place in Sudan, it almost seems that they don't want no parts of
this situation. According to this article, the US voted against the text. Why? Because as par for the UN, everything from them is "weak" issued! The
US wants and is demanding a stronger response and wording by and from the UN on this, and I would like to see likewise, along with any type action
from this defunct organization on and in Sudan.
This article:
Rape, torture, and one million forced to flee as Sudan's crisis unfolds. Will
we move to stop it?
The UN again can sit back report and look on, but continues to do nothing?!
And this one:
Ethnic cleansing in desert
of death for black Muslims
 The United Nations says Darfur has become the scene of the world's worst humanitarian crisis. More than a million people have fled as the
Janjaweed advance, burning village after village. More than 100,000 have crossed into neighbouring Chad, where most have little access to emergency
aid. 
Very indepth article but may be graphic to a degree, so be warned and take heed.
seekerof
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