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Child robot mimicks infant learning

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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 05:59 AM
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Japan child robot mimics infant learning


SUITA, Japan (AFP) — The creators of the Child-robot with Biomimetic Body, or CB2, say it's slowly developing social skills by interacting with humans and watching their facial expressions, mimicking a mother-baby relationship.
A bald, child-like creature dangles its legs from a chair as its shoulders rise and fall with rhythmic breathing and its black eyes follow movements across the room.

It's not human -- but it is paying attention.

In coming decades, Asada expects science will come up with a "robo species" that has learning abilities somewhere between those of a human and other primate species such as the chimpanzee.


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With all due respect (well, maybe not) to the Scientists creating this *thing* I have to ask a big WHY?
Creating a slave species?
Perhaps slavery is less detestable when not using humans?
I find that idea nothing less than abhorrent.

Or maybe use them to perform tasks humans find dangerous, repetitious, undesirable?

That still screams slave to me, and, if so - why the need for emotions or the ability to recognize emotions and their structure to be that of a child?

Emotions, "breathing", skin (!?), and learning all wrapped up in a childlike appearances spells out human companionship to me.
One more example of machines replacing human interaction.
We’re so removed from each other as it is, why not go the whole 9 yards?
Go get your new CB2 infant, stick it in a closet when you’re done with it for the day?

While I find this fascinating, I find it equally, if not more disturbing.

Sure it’s "all for the good of science" ---> But, what else?



peace


[edit on 6-4-2009 by silo13]




posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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Because its the next evolution of our society and technology..you could ask why about alot of things that today we see as *normal* down the decades this will also just be *normal* to the people..but..it looks creepy as hell,they should give it a nice happy face.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:42 AM
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There is a fascinating and insightful quote at the end of that article:


Asada said Japan's indigenous animistic belief system may also have readied people to accept human-like robots with minds of their own.

"Everything has a mind -- the mind of the lamp, the mind of the chair, the soul of the desk," he said, pointing at objects in his office.

"Therefore the machines should have their mind too. If we proceed in this study, machines may have something like a human mind or 'robo-mind'," he said.


Despite that, I find the eerie "almost-but-not-quite-human" nature of these robots to be a little disconcerting. And I find troubling the possibility of creating a new form of "disposable people".



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Now we can enjoy the thrill and excitement of war without the depressing casualty count. Machine wars replicating actual Human conflicts could be a fun game to play as it is educational for future generations.

Machines work so we can think....then machines think?



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Allright this is just downright creepy.

Let's all stop and take a long hard look at what could possibly be an outcome here.

We could make a race of robots to do all sorts of work for us, and then become even more lazy and slovenly than before, turning over countless tasks to the robots and losing more of our humanity.

We could find ourselves in a situation where the robots, since they "have a soul", as the scientists say, decide we're not worth it anymore, and take over, forcing us to work for them.

We could have a sci-fi type thing happen where in a single night they nuke us all to kingdom come.


Point is, we're starting to try and play god here, and this is where the line must be drawn, i feel th same way about genetically engineered babies and the like. We are the way we are for some reason, weather it be scientifically sound or religiously sound (I'm not getting into that argument) and this is where it needs to end.

Just remember the old line.. Just because you CAn do a thing, doesn't mean you MUST do that thing.

A little creeeped out here.....



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Point is, we're starting to try and play god here, and this is where the line must be drawn, i feel th same way about genetically engineered babies and the like. We are the way we are for some reason, weather it be scientifically sound or religiously sound (I'm not getting into that argument) and this is where it needs to end.

Just remember the old line.. Just because you CAn do a thing, doesn't mean you MUST do that thing.


Exactly!

*Applauds*




posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by vkey08
Allright this is just downright creepy.

Let's all stop and take a long hard look at what could possibly be an outcome here.

We could make a race of robots to do all sorts of work for us, and then become even more lazy and slovenly than before, turning over countless tasks to the robots and losing more of our humanity.

We could find ourselves in a situation where the robots, since they "have a soul", as the scientists say, decide we're not worth it anymore, and take over, forcing us to work for them.

We could have a sci-fi type thing happen where in a single night they nuke us all to kingdom come.


Point is, we're starting to try and play god here, and this is where the line must be drawn, i feel th same way about genetically engineered babies and the like. We are the way we are for some reason, weather it be scientifically sound or religiously sound (I'm not getting into that argument) and this is where it needs to end.

Just remember the old line.. Just because you CAn do a thing, doesn't mean you MUST do that thing.

A little creeeped out here.....


you are wrong again.

in america if you can do a thing then you must do a thing.

the media says so...

the commericals says so.



this will give us more time to get fat and jaded.

jaded and fat...

americans are always whinging but they live like kings.

did you know that in america no one has ever died of starvation...as every dumpster is full of uneatan food.

AMERICANS LIVE LIKE FAT KINGS.

they have everything.ipods,tv ,dvd players,blu ray,satellite tv,cable tv,computers,satnav,fridges,freezers,cars,barbecues.cell phones.

masses of food and 2500 tv stations.

most americans are jaded by the age of 16...

they have done and seen literally everything...every kind of sex,filth,porn,drugs,rinks,orgies.

they have nothing left to do for the rest of their lives.

too much money and time means you become jaded very quickly.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by esecallum]



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Maybe I should preface with "I was not born in the United States", and "Even at 30something I still have tons I want to do"


I view each day as a new challenge, and that there are untold things I could learn and / or try, I do not spend it watching 2600 TV stations and being otherwise "fat dumb and happy"

So on the off chance that you decided to take and do a bash Americans using me as an example, don't, because I just learned something new.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by esecallum
 


Maybe I should preface with "I was not born in the United States", and "Even at 30something I still have tons I want to do"


I view each day as a new challenge, and that there are untold things I could learn and / or try, I do not spend it watching 2600 TV stations and being otherwise "fat dumb and happy"

So on the off chance that you decided to take and do a bash Americans using me as an example, don't, because I just learned something new.


nice guys finish last.



I am a white,blond haired and blue eyed American and I was not bashing Americans.I was merely reporting the truth.

i am sick and tired of all the bozos i have to put up each day.

i think you should watch that film "idiocracy" which was banned by FOX FROM GENERAL RELEASE IN THE CINAMAS.

You are obviously an exception but Average Joe in any western country is quite jaded and has too much time on their hands ,hence the thuggery and general violence and endless drinking and drugging.

These robots will be used as sex toys.... and in fact already are but they have no sentiance at present.

one guy has already made a robot daughter and we can only imagine what he does with her at night.

The best thing to do with all these jaded folk is to dump them in poor african villages.

same with all the criminals and other low lifes,dump them in poor african countries.

Soon the struggle for daily existence will straighten them out.

Soon the struggle for daily existence will straighten them out.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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It's wonderful. As long as violence and hate isn't programmed into it. Also more than 1 kill switch should be built into each robot, separate from it's main programming so IF it develops the capability to think about killing or using violence against another life, it can be shutdown remotely. The reason for having more than 1 killswitch is because of learning capabilities that would enable the robot to disable those functions. Would be terrible if it ends up like Battlestar galactica.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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I agree with you on two points: 1) bringing a new form of life into the universe is wonderful, and 2) the world doesn't need more violence and hate.

But the implications of your argument, that we should build killswitches into a potentially-sentient lifeform, are very disturbing. If our own morality is justified by our sentience, should we not build these killswitches into ourselves, then? That's very "Brave New World". On the other hand, if our own morality is justified by our humanity, then are we to take a dominant 'creator' role in our application of power, regardless of our creations capability for self-aware thought?

What limits do we draw, in our actions, when facing these possible new situations of moral dilemma? And how could those situations change the ethics of how we treat each other?

Deep problems.


And, to the previous posters who have said "just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should", I would like to agree. I think that's a fine personal philosophy. But the evidence of human history doesn't support such optimism. Better steel had led to sharper swords. Chemistry led to gunpowder and projectile weapons. Electricity has given us electroshock; nuclear power has given us atom bombs. The pattern of increased human technological capacity seems to be that if it is possible, it will be attempted. So yes, that means someone will be trying to make slave labor, robot soldiers, and sexual surrogates with no regard to the potential suffering caused.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Slow down, folks. It's not alive.

Slave race? Only if your desk chair is a slave, too. Or your toilet, oh the humanity... just think about being a toilet.

What's the difference here? Is it because it looks creepy? Or is it because it can learn?

Guess what, itunes can learn too. So can MSWord. So can google. No one cares about machines taking over the world or about creating a slave race every time that MSWord rearranges your contextual menus.

All paranoia aside, I think the significant thing here is that they are using infant mentality to make AI more effective. That's brilliant. People don't come into this world with an adult brain. If we want computers that can develop and learn, the immature human brain is a much better template than an adult one.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by suicydking
No one cares about machines taking over the world or about creating a slave race every time that MSWord rearranges your contextual menus.


In tangential contradiction, I consider that specific example fairly conclusive proof of the animistic concept that objects can embody energies of malevolence and evil.

Whose brilliant idea was it to make a user-interface that rearranges itself when you're not looking, countering predictability and making it impossible to use with deterministic mouse motions?

Evil incarnate, indeed. Humanity, beware.




posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Ian McLean

Originally posted by suicydking
No one cares about machines taking over the world or about creating a slave race every time that MSWord rearranges your contextual menus.


In tangential contradiction, I consider that specific example fairly conclusive proof of the animistic concept that objects can embody energies of malevolence and evil.

Whose brilliant idea was it to make a user-interface that rearranges itself when you're not looking, countering predictability and making it impossible to use with deterministic mouse motions?

Evil incarnate, indeed. Humanity, beware.




Ahh, see? All we need to do is be sure that the robot's default settings are not written by MS, and that the options menus are intuitive and comprehensive.

The flip side of this, of course are the benefits that advancements in adaptive software can bring. Imagine that when you scream at your computer and tell MSWord to stop rearranging your menus, it actually listens to you...



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Also more than 1 kill switch should be built into each robot, separate from it's main programming so IF it develops the capability to think about killing or using violence against another life, it can be shutdown remotely. The reason for having more than 1 kill switch is because of learning capabilities that would enable the robot to disable those functions.


Ohhhh my if that doesn't just scare my socks hairy.

Ugh...

And the second kill switch is even a better idea!



peace



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Wow, now we really have some polarized views on this forum. One camp fighting for robot's rights, the other voting for a killswitch.

Seeing as how no robots have ever gone on a murderous rampage, yet humans do it all the time, does anyone have an opinion on installing a killswitch in newborn humans?



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Wow, now we really have some polarized views on this forum. One camp fighting for robot's rights, the other voting for a killswitch.


Aint it grand... lol




peace

[edit on 6-4-2009 by silo13]



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Maybe we as humans long to have another intelligent species to interact with besides our own? A robotic child maybe good for families that are unable to adopt or have children and god only knows if a scenerio like "children of men" where to happen. I see these androids as the record keepers of our civilization and world long after we are gone. Or maybe they will be the explorers so we can build cheaper ships to find new homes in the universe.

unfortunalty machines will be nothing more than slaves for the human race until they become stronger and smarter than use like in terminator or the matrix. And are they really slaves if they are still running based on a program and have not yet become self aware?



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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are they really slaves if they are still running based on a program and have not yet become self aware?


I don't know.

We had this question asked in a morals class once and I had a problem with it then.

Thanks for your post.

peace



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Wow !!!


Excellent post ! It seems we may be closer to creating an artificial mind than I thought. Truly fascinating.



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