Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Salt of the Earth
wowzers. while i agree that some of the fallen angels are what we call or think of as extra-terrestrials, i can't in good conscience agree that God
only created man and that it all started when the catholic church says it did. (you realize alot of dogma is passed down from the big c, yes? )
Catholic dogma has little to nothing to do with what we're discussing, which is Bible. The Catholics have their own dogma and when it comes to
spiritual things they accept almost everything as "from God" and a "miracle." This includes potergeisting statues, weeping statues, stigmatas,
apparitions, anything short of an exorcism which they would acknowledge to be demonic.
The Catholic church also endorses evolution and probably space aliens as well.
The Bible itself has nothing to do with the Catholic church and no we did not get the Bible from the Catholics. The Old Testament came long before the
Catholics did, and so did the early Christians and their manuscripts, the Textus Receptus, received text, consisting of thousands of hand-copied
manuscripts, all of which match. The Catholics have two manuscripts they base their own bibles on, and neither one matches, and both are mangled with
crossovers of crossovers by Origen the gnostic.
The King James Bible incorporated the six other Bibles that came before it, all good bibles, and the translators were in awe of them. William
Tyndale's translation was incorporated almost intact into the Bible. Tyndale himself was martyred for his work.
The Bible is The Book, and as it says about itself, Psalm 6:12, it is purified seven times as in a furnace of earth, and it is "very pure" and that
God will preserve it forever. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass away from it, and that Heaven and earth would pass away before it ever did.
And "holy men of old wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."
I trust it and measure everything by it.
From my read of the Bible, before the flood angels were mating with humans, and producing "fierce giants" (Nephilim) -- hybrid creatures. The
remains of some of these are in existence to be seen today. This is why God destroyed the entire earth in a flood, to try to cleanse the earth of
these hybrid abominations. The Bible says Noah and his family were "pure in their generations."
Greek mythology describing chimeras I believe were not based entirely on myth, but genetic tampering was going on in those days, as it is now in the
underground labs of the Black Ops Military. The MSM reports on cloning, genetic manipulation of plants and vegetables containing genetic material from
bugs and fish, and the MSM has also reported putting human genes into the DNA of pigs and other animals to produce supposedly hearts that can be used
for transplants into humans. When you hear abouat things in the MSM you can be sure this stuff has already been going on for years and it's way past
what the media is telling us is new and current.
We've also heard reports from witnesses of caged children and women used for breeding in these underground Frankenstein labs. We also know that many
people are abducted and their sperm, eggs and developing babies are taken from them.
The "Grays" are hybrid creatures, product of genetic manipulation in the lab to be slaves of the minions of Satan, per Brave New World, and to be
passed off as aliens to convince the world we have been visted by "aliens." They are humanoid creatures, a mixture of human, reptile, bug and
We know from the Bible there is no life on any other planet for these reasons:
1. The earth was the first thign to be created. The sun, moon, stars and planets were not created until the fourth day and was created for the earth,
to give light and for times and seasons and also "to declare the glory of God." The earth is the center of the universe and God created the stars
for us. We are not just one out of many, no better or worse. We are not an accident.
2. Life does not exist separate and apart from God. Matter is not self-existant or able to produce life from itself. Nothing plus nothing equals
nothing and dead matter will remain dead forever. Life comes from God.
3. Everything was created at the same time and in an instant. God is not limited by time and space. The earth, sun and moon are all the exact right
size and distance apart to sustain life. God doesn't need more planets to put more people on. There's plenty of room on this planet for many more
people. Further, we know that mankind needs a savior, and Jesus came here to save us, not Mars or Venus or any other planet in the universe. And we
also know his sacrifice was sufficient, and he said on the cross "It is finished."
4. We know spirits exist. Some people call them "ghosts." Almost everybody has seen one or more. People in more primitive countries see them all the
time. Here, the spirits like to take the appearance of UFOs, "aliens" -- not wanting people to believe in the existence of spiritual creatures, but
to be atheistic and only believing in "science so-called" as the Bible puts it. This way they can pass themselves off as beings from another planet,
and will not be written off automatically as evil creatures who are in rebellion to God and whose intentions toward mankind are purely malevolent.
5. Revelation talks about demonic spirits who are confined underground and will be released in the last days. It also says the earth will be ruled by
a "Man of Sin" -- the antichrist, indwelt by Satan himself.
The laws of physics do not permit the travel through time and space that would be required for "aliens" to come here, even if there were such
creatures and they had some reason to want to make the trip. Spirits are not limited by time and/or space and are free to travel the entire universe
in a split second. These creatures do dwell in the air, as the Bible says, and warns us that we "Wrestle not against flesh and blood, but
principalities and powers of the air."
We also know that angelic and demonic spirits are able to manifest themselves. Angels visited Sodom and Gomorrah, spent the night with Lot and his
family, and then led them from the city before its destruction. Angels also visited Abraham and Sara, sat down and ate with them, and gave them the
message from God that Sara would have a son. The Bible is replete with accounts of manifested angelic spirits.
As to demonic spirits, we read that Satan himself manifested to Jesus and tried to tempt him. This is the only account of demonic manifestation I know
of, other than the demonic possession of humans and animals that are described in the New Testament, which is different than a physical
The Bible speaks of the angels who fell from their first estate and are in bondage in the earth. So some of them are in the earth and some in the air.
The ones in the air are not confined to the air, but are able to come down and lurk around. Reports from scientists and researchers of the paranormal
reveal that these creatures cause poltergeists and are able to manifest.
The Bible says they can take any shape they choose, including as an "angel of light" and we are not to take them at face value, but to weigh what
they do and say against the Bible. This the Catholic church does not do, and accepts all these manifestations as a "miracle" and "of God" even
when it is an apparition claiming to be Mary and demanding worship and claiming godhood of itself.
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