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Whats the chance aliens DONT exist?

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posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Hey everyone, lets turn the tables on those debunkers out there.
Whats the ultimate, undeniable proof that extra terrestrial life DOESNT exist?

Im assuming you guys all know how mind boggling MASSIVE the universe is; and what the Hubble Ultra Deep Field (HUDF) is, and if you don't, you can check up on this link here : Hubble Ultra Deep Field

So, coming back on to my original question, I want ALL of you debunkers out there to convince me and my fellow ATS'ers that extra terrestrial life, in all forms known and unknown to manki- humankind (Gotta be PC
) in all the deep and far reaches of the universe; with proportions so immense that the numbers don't even register in our minds; doesn't exist.

If you manage to do that then I will be seriously impressed.

Assuming that there is anyone out there that doesn't believe in them




posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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There is always that chance, until someone proves otherwise or until they come on down. If someone doesn't believe that they are out there it is O.K., because somewhere far, far away some E.T. doesn't believe in you or me either.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:37 AM
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"When you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."



"We know nothing at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren.
The real nature of things we shall never know."
-Albert Einstein



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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aliens do exist, they're jsut not anywhere near by or nearwhen.

do a search, this has been rolled before.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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well...

I think in all honest aliens are real.. not just the little grey blokes i may add.

the universe is far to mind boggling for a start.. and then simple answer i always give skeptics

dont you find being able to ask the very question is more astonomical in the first place than not having aliens?

; )

for one to ask would make it a possibility in the first place.

and IF and i do mean IF we are totaly alone in this vastness we call home.. its still so mind bending they could "aliens" be from another paralell universe.

another us on another time frame .. the possiblity is very much endless



thats why instead people tend to say "i give up" and use god as a way out.

"tho" some like me like the idea of BOTH "and not a dude in a toga"



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:34 AM
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Wow its easy to give you the odds of alien 50 50 the same odds as everything until its proved or disproved. Your trying to use mathematics to prove an unknowable variable. We could say we know one planet has life can an equation be made from such a small sample? If we develop faster than light travel we find 10000 planets and were still the only one then we can do the math.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by killas900
So, coming back on to my original question, I want ALL of you debunkers out there to convince me and my fellow ATS'ers that extra terrestrial life, in all forms known and unknown to manki- humankind (Gotta be PC
) in all the deep and far reaches of the universe; with proportions so immense that the numbers don't even register in our minds; doesn't exist.

If you manage to do that then I will be seriously impressed.


I can 'debunk' your thread. The challenge you set is impossible to achieve. Only a congenital idiot would attempt to prove that life does not exist outside of our Solar System. How can anyone prove that 'unknown' life does or does not exist



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by killas900
 


Wow its easy to give you the odds of alien 50 50 the same odds as everything until its proved or disproved. Your trying to use mathematics to prove an unknowable variable. We could say we know one planet has life can an equation be made from such a small sample? If we develop faster than light travel we find 10000 planets and were still the only one then we can do the math.


Even that's not a statistically significant number. there are an estimated 10^20 stars (100 quintillion) in the observable universe. If only 1 in a hundred have planets, that's still 10^18 planets. I know nothing of statistical mathematics, but it's easy to see how you'd need to a visit a LOT more than just a handful of planets to get an idea of how common life is. Maybe a million is a good start.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 03:58 AM
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How wrong can one person be?

Aliens aren't far in fact they are walking amongst us on a daily basis.

They do live on earth, and they do exist in our societies.



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by bobbylove321
reply to post by Mozzy
 


How wrong can one person be?

Aliens aren't far in fact they are walking amongst us on a daily basis.

They do live on earth, and they do exist in our societies.


maybe, but unless we catch one, cut it open and do an autopsy, we don't have a scientific proof

and that is considering they are not humans like us... proving a human being is from another planet would be way more difficult than just turning it inside out


as for proving alien life does NOT exist... i guess you would first have to somehow prove the universe is not infinite, and then travel to every last celestial object in it, doing a complete analysis. now considering we don't even know about all life forms on THIS planet, since we are still discovering some new kinds of bugs and fish and whatever... good luck



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 04:29 AM
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I'd say it's pretty near impossible for aliens to not exist out there somewhere. There's no "magic" here. The elements of the periodic table are all over the universe. There's no reason to think life hasn't formed anywhere else. Well, there's only one reason, but it's not that great with all things considered. The only reason is that we haven't found aliens yet. But I bet we will.



posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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Grats Kandinsky...

You're the only one that noticed the loop hole // paradox in my task, well, let me rephrase it then.

Who can prove to me, through actual evidence and some serious stuff, that aliens haven't ever been to our solar system?

Me, and a lot of other people on this site I believe, think that aliens have once been, or are, in this solar system.

I have to say, Mike Singh has me convinced thus far :p

Lets see if anyone can shift our P.O.Vs...

~cheers



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by killas900
Grats Kandinsky...

You're the only one that noticed the loop hole // paradox in my task, well, let me rephrase it then.

Who can prove to me, through actual evidence and some serious stuff, that aliens haven't ever been to our solar system?

Me, and a lot of other people on this site I believe, think that aliens have once been, or are, in this solar system.

I have to say, Mike Singh has me convinced thus far :p

Lets see if anyone can shift our P.O.Vs...

~cheers



Wow prove the unprovable thats quite a feat. There is no way to prove or disprove aliens visited. The only thing that can be done is evaluate evidence given so if someone puts up a picture or eyewitness then you have a basis to evaluate data. You cant prove something didnt happen because if it didnt happen there would be no proof. You can only prove if something happens not if it doesnt.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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o% that they dont exist, 100% chance they do.

If we dont see them often, its for a reason.

they are more intelligent, some more than others.
we here on earth only a while ago was a bunch of farmers and peasents and nomads.

when the civilised earth happened, thats when humans may have been contacted.

but really why would most even bother with us.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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OK, I'll bite killas....

(because I'd like to see where this thread weaves....)

There is very much conficting 'testimony' on this subject...the task is to ferret out the 'real' from the 'disinfo' that may have been promulgated by certain agencies.

Here is something to chew on....within just a 55 Light-Year radius of Sol, there are thousands of Stars. Of those Stars, somewhere around 46 of them are quite similar to our 'Sun'.

Now....our entire Galaxy entails billions of stars...many of those stars are not conducive to life as we know it (not counting them out, just yet....just limiting the possibilities to stars similar to ours).

Given the immensity of the Galaxy alone....to surmise that life isn't prevalent would only be because A) you are ignorant or, B) you are a slave to some sort of 'religious-based' brain-washing.

(Of course, I am NOT referring to ANYONE here on ATS!).

Now....we reach the first 'barrier'....the immense distances between star-systems. One of the 'reasons' given to argue against any ET contact on Earth.

Well, just as in the early 1800's it was thought that going faster than about 30 MPH (the speed of a horse, at the time) would be humanly impossible, we have seen the impression of the ability of Humans to exceed what was once thought to be impossible to be, at times, self-limiting....until proven wrong.

YES, I know....Einstein....and Relativity....

BUT, new concepts of physics that have built upon the houlders of many, many other Greats, have shown the possiblity of other ways to travel great astronomical distances. WITHOUT actually traversing the distances....it is not within the realm of this thread to explain.

For Humans reading THIS thread...consider: Take a step back, and look at what Science has accomplished in just the last 100 years. Compare 1909 to 2009.

THEN, take a look, and really contemplate the differences between 1809 and 1909. THEN, try again....look at 1709-1809....see my point yet?

300 years of exponential growth, mostly due to science. (forget about religions....that baloney tried to hold science back...still is!)

300 years is about, on average, 4 to 5 Human lifespans....but, really, when we consider a Human lifespan....the first two decades is about growing up, and learning, isn't it? So, out of an average 60-year lifespan, one-third of it is spent growing up. The next one-third (for Men) is spent in sexual conquests...hey, we're all adults here!

Science progesses slowly, at first....but then, as communications improve, and lifespans increase....and certain geniuses emerge...science marches on.

So, here WE are, barely 700 years, or so, of actual scientific re-invention (because I think that certain scientific discoveries were lost before, and during the 'Dark Ages' of the AD900 to AD 1400 era) and we are crawling back up out of the Darkness.

BUT, LOOK at what we've accomplished!!! In only 700 years!!!

Imagine what science would look like IF we had not been sidelined by the Dark Ages....or the last Ice Age 10,000 years ago!

So, an intelligent species on a similar 'earthlike' planet that didn't suffer our handicaps....could have evolved incredible technology....and gone out to explore their 'local neighborhood' in the Galaxy.

If the Earth's fortunes had been different, WE might have been the more advanced species branching out to explore our nearest neighbors...

As it is, we are the ones being forced to 'grow up' very fast, if only we could be given the chance.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker

Given the immensity of the Galaxy alone....to surmise that life isn't prevalent would only be because A) you are ignorant or, B) you are a slave to some sort of 'religious-based' brain-washing.


If you believe matter is eternal and self-existent and able to produce life from itself, then I would say YOU are the one who is A) igorant or B) a slave to some sort of 'religious-based' brain washing and are ascribing god-like powers, literally, to dirt.



Originally posted by weedwhacker
For Humans reading THIS thread...consider: Take a step back, and look at what Science has accomplished in just the last 100 years. Compare 1909 to 2009. THEN, take a look, and really contemplate the differences between 1809 and 1909. THEN, try again....look at 1709-1809....see my point yet?
300 years of exponential growth, mostly due to science. (forget about religions....that baloney tried to hold science back...still is!)


There's science and then there's pseudoscience or alchemy. Real science proved that dead matter cannot and will not produce life. Period. Real science knows that nothing plus nothing equals nothing. Matter cannot under any circumstances create itself. And matter, once created, cannot create life of its own. Period. This is science. Real science.

You can take your most brilliant scientists who ever lived, give them unlimited resources in the laboratory, and they cannot create a dead cell, let alone a living one. So much for the "science so-called" you make your idol.

There are known laws of physics and science that are observed, that can be duplicated and proved in the laboratory. The things you claim are possible are only possible in the spiritual world, that is not limited by time and space. Yet you adamantly deny the existance of any such spiritual world and mock and insults those who do believe such.

The belief in evolution is a religion, virtually to bow your knee to the dirt you walk on and kiss it as that which never had a beginning and which contains within itself the ability to create life and form all the forms of life we see about us.



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:10 AM
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Matter itself can not trigger life, but you need other elements, tempreture changes, choatic beginings of our solar system may have triggered life.

its a mix of elements and what happens to those elements but im not sure to be honest.

it could be down to atoms, are we really here and all that, we see that we are here in physical form, but are we?

[edit on 8-4-2009 by Sparkey76]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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I can only laugh....and will NOT tear apart your post as you do to others.

I will just refer readers to what YOU did....and then what you wrote which said..."If you believe matter is eternal and self-existent and able to produce life from itself....etc, etc....You quoted me, then went on to claim that I ascribe ... YOUR words....'god-like powers, literally, to dirt.'

Ummmm.....isn't that exactly what Genesis proposes? 'Adam', from dirt....'Eve' from Adam's Rib????

But, I will not allow myself to be 'baited' by you, or your ilk in this thread.

(except for that slight indulgence at the beginning, just to set the 'mood'...)

I GUESS you're almost on topic, in your rants...trying to, vainly, argue that life can ONLY exist in ONE PLACE in the entire Universe? Is THAT your assertion?

Life, my dear fellow, exists everywhere....it is only a diminished ability to perceive this evident fact that is limiting to those who cling to a certain dogmatic view....one that is rapidly being extinguished by increasing knowledge of science....



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Ummmm.....isn't that exactly what Genesis proposes? 'Adam', from dirt....'Eve' from Adam's Rib????


Yes, and then God blew the breath of life into that which he created. All life comes from God. All of it. A corpse has everything there, but one missing thing -- the soul has departed. Once the life has gone back to God it cannot return -- unless God for some reason sends it back, as will happen in the resurrection or sometimes God decides it's not somebody's time yet and sends them back to their body after it's left.


Originally posted by weedwhacker
But, I will not allow myself to be 'baited' by you, or your ilk in this thread.


My "ilk?" Baited because I don't agree with your exalted opinions of pseudoscience and your condescending and hateful attitude toward people who disagree with you? You make preposterous claims backed up by NOTHING, and mock like a schoolkid those who don't hold to your opinions that life can arise spontaneously and evolve someplace in the universe to produce god-men capable of building spaceships powerful enough to travel anyplace in the universe. Your faith in this kind of alchemy and pseudoscience is all based on the material, disregarding any spiritual life forms, which is exactly what the Luciferian hoaxters and liars who are scamming you WANT you to believe.

They want to bring out their demonic friends (who can materialize and will if they can pass themselves off as "aliens") and introduce them to you so you can rub elbows with them and watch them get interviewed on Larry King Live. The Luciferian Fourth Reichers who run this planet will present your phony aliens to you (ie demons), along with the chimeras they have created in their Nazi labs, and they know that people like you will fall for it like a ton of bricks. Meantime, they themselves know full well the spiritual realm is real, and live in that reality 24/7 themselves, consorting with and trafficking with spirits from where they gain their knowledge and power to lie and deceive and kill, and, yes, to operate with technology in the material world, but within the laws of physics laid down by God, beyond which they cannot venture. Their life is absorbed with rituals and hand signals and high holy days of sacrifice and depravity to the gods of the Dark Side. Their preoccupation with dates and times and the position of the stars and their "sacred geometry" all reflect their deep religious beliefs in evil deities.

These

are the people who hold you in their power, who are able to deceive you so easily to believe in alchemy and pseudoscience and to ignore your own two eyes and the voice of reason and conscience that God gave you.



[edit on 8-4-2009 by Salt of the Earth]



posted on Apr, 8 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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here's a video on the hubble deep field. it's a big video so you may have to reload the page more than once and click the play button more than one, to get it to play.



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