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The Notre Dame/Obama brouhaha is still gathering steam. Catholic bishops and other leaders are lining up to argue that the esteemed Catholic university in South Bend, IN., should not be giving an honorary degree and the commencement platform to President Obama on May 17.
They say Obama's actions on abortion, family planning and embryonic stem cell research violate church teachings on life.
They want Notre Dame to make an exception to its tradition of inviting the newly-elected president to be the commencement speaker. George W. Bush spoke in 2001 although his stance in favor of the death penalty conflicted with Catholic Church teachings.
The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
"If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
"Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.'
Originally posted by awake_awoke
Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush all spoke at Notre Dame graduation ceremonies and the school has an established tradition of having the current president speak at its commencement.
In a mock election before last year's real election, the Democratic ticket won 52.6 percent of the vote followed by the Republican ticket of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, which won 41.1 percent of the vote. A total of 2,692 undergraduates and graduate students voted.
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI sent a personal message to President-elect Barack Obama Nov. 5, congratulating him and offering his prayers for Obama and for all the people of the United States.
Originally posted by AmericanDaughter
I believe the honorary degree is a slap in the face of the church.
Originally posted by FlyersFan It's the non-catholic catholics who invited him who should have known better.
Originally posted by kinda kurious
Back On Topic:
In addition to my original solid rebuttal which has yet to be rebuked, I would like to expand on my staunch rejection of threads like this on ATS. It is Political baiting.
Notice how the simple juxtaposition of just a single word illustrates my point.
Title of OP: Should Obama pull out of U. Notre Dame Graduation?
Intent of Title: Obama should pull out of U. Notre Dame Graduation.
We see this ploy all the time on MSM. "Iran Invasion Imminent?"
It borders on Presupposition. "Do you still beat your wife?"
( It is a tried and true technique, albeit a shallow, tired one.)
It is nothing more than a Neurolinguistic Programming technique seeking to illicit a directed response.
Had the thread title been posed in a variety of other ways, it might have spawned more substantial discussion. (i.e. Thoughts on Obama N.D. speech?, Obama commencement speech invite Pro's Con'?s etc.) rather than inviting an Anti-Obama rant fest.
As I mentioned before in prior post with link, the Pope was congratulatory of President Obama, why not his "flock?" Are they the true "Non Catholic" Catholics?
And, as a reminder, I service what I sell.
Duly noted, my error. Thanks for pointing that out. It was, in fact, quoted directly from the USA Today. My bad. MSM nonetheless.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Go complain to USA Today. This was the exact title of the article I cited in the OP.
I don't feel I attacked anyone. I was simply making my case and stuck to topic. Whether they your were own words or simply you "parroted" them does not diminish the validity of my claim.
Unless, of course, you are resorting to your tired old tactics of attacking the members of ATS and not the topic of discussion. Then your tactics are transparent.
So are you accusing the Pope of being insincere?
The Pope offered the standard congratulations for winning the election press release. Nothing there to suggest that they are bosom buddies all of a sudden.
It must be a really droll existence, selling and servicing bullcrap.