Obama Should Thank Abovetopsecret.com, page 1

Obama has won ATS. Disinformation abounds. You have given him power. He and Congress thank you.

I repeat, he has won ... IF you do not read and understand exactly what his LEGAL powers are - and I feel safe in saying that the majority here will not do this.

There have been countless threads stating that Obama has given over the country's soverignty, etc. to different world agencies. This is EXACTLY what he wants you to believe because if you believe he has that authority then he has deflected where the real blame should be laid - the Congress - and he has increased his power over YOU. He has stated many times that he will take responsibility for all of this - this is because he wants us to think that the responsibility is his to take.

Obama cannot appropriate money to the IMF or anywhere else - he can't even sign a treaty without Congress' approval. Congress is the one that appropriates money. While you're all being pissed at Obama, Congress is working in the background TO GET RE-ELECTED one year from now so they can continue with their agenda. Obama's not up for re-election for three more years and they know how short Americans' memories are. He is just a deflection. Americans don't know what he is legally limited to and, therefore, accept that he can legally do all that he says he can do. THIS IS FALSE.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The Executive CANNOT pass laws or appropriate money. Only Congress has that power. It is up to us to know who has what legal powers and when they overstep those powers, it is up to us to call them on it, it is also up to us to elect responsible people to where the REAL power is - Congress. Otherwise, they will have won.

1.) When Obama signs an executive order, READ IT, if it is not limited to adjusting POLICY of an EXISTING law, then it is illegal and must be fought. An executive order cannot legislate new or expanded laws. Only bills passed in Congress can do that.
2.) When Obama promises money to the IMF or anywhere else, pay attention to what's up in Congress that will actually fund that promise, and yell about that instead.

If you really want to do something about the mess we're in, you don't have to attend "tea parties" or anything else, hell, you don't even have to leave your computer! I'm not dis'ing tea parties, I think they're good for making people realize that they're not alone in this. But tea party attendance is not mandatory, knowledge of the structure of our government IS.

If you care, flag this thread, bookmark these webpages, and READ them from time to time:
United States Constitution
EXECUTIVE ORDERS
Library of Congress



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[edit on 4/6/2009 by Majic]

The following link is to the Library of Congress' Treaties page. Congress has the real power.

Treaties

reply to post by Southern Guardian

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Putting aside the title of the OP. Part of the message rings true. The congress is responsible for creating this new and massive debt,incurred in the last 90 days or so.

Or as an Obama supporter do you really believe that he and his congress are leading this country in the right direction? Take for instance the new excise tax on tobacco and alcohol,this is a tax on mostly the poor.
The stated use for this new revenue is to fund childrens medical care. How much of this revenue will make it to the objective?

IT's not a right or left thing,it's a common sense thing. Take stock of what is really happening,judge for yourself. Massive debt and governmental control of major private sector business/industry,does not bode well for "freedom".

Originally posted by daddyroo45
reply to post by Southern Guardian

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Putting aside the title of the OP. Part of the message rings true. The congress is responsible for creating this new and massive debt,incurred in the last 90 days or so.

Lets not forget the billions and billions that we have been spent in Iraq we did all we could so they could have universal healthcare coverage and a nickle a gallon gasoline.

Or as an Obama supporter do you really believe that he and his congress are leading this country in the right direction? Take for instance the new excise tax on tobacco and alcohol,this is a tax on mostly the poor.
The stated use for this new revenue is to fund childrens medical care. How much of this revenue will make it to the objective?

I hate the new taxes, but any new direction compared to where we were heading is better IMHO and 60 million other Americans agree with me.

IT's not a right or left thing,it's a common sense thing. Take stock of what is really happening,judge for yourself. Massive debt and governmental control of major private sector business/industry,does not bode well for "freedom".

It's very much a right of left thing, what we need is balance and moderation, time will tell what we will end up with.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

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you think your opinions are fresh, yet only outdated if you discern the actual content, accusing conservatism of being outdated when your liberal ideals are far more out of touch with a society that has moved back and forth with the trends, and found that anomolies are just that. I WONT GET INTO THE DETAILS BUT YOU ARE WAY OFF BASE, AND YOU KNOW IT.

reply to post by Mudler

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correct, the only way we stop these power hungry individuals who conquer and divide us is to overthrow them in a way that has the police beating down our doors, because they know they are wrong and our ideas go against their greed/hubris to erradicate such destructive goals of these tyrants...............

[edit on 5-4-2009 by XD9611]

reply to post by Merriman Weir

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At first glance I honestly thought Obama was publicly acknowledging ATS for something.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

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Since PD 51, the presidents powers are not fully spelled out in the constitution.
He pretty much has what powers he needs, when he needs them.

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