Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by ats_account
What do you think about afterlife?
since you are asking, here is my reply...
When a human person dies, he ceases to exist. He does not automatically go to the spirit realm or heaven or hell. The Bible scriptures for this are in
my previous postings on this thread if anyone wants to check them.
Gods purpose for mankind was to live on an earth that would be like the place that the first humans were placed in, the garden of Eden. The word
"Eden" means pleasure or delight. If you look at how the Bible describes that place, you can see why being exiled from there was also in itself a
punishment for Adam and Eve. Keeping this in mind it is clear that it was Gods purpose that humans would enjoy life on earth (enjoy this universe, so
The current problems faced by mankind were not part (and are not part) of Gods purpose.
Just before God gave Adam and Eve their sentence (after eating from the tree) he spoke to the snake (although what God said was directed to the spirit
creature who had used the snake as a mouthpiece). God said that there would be a conflict which would end in the snake being bruised in the head. This
was the first ever prophecy written in the Bible.
In effect even though the moment was dark for mankind, God was already then declaring that the situation would end one day. In other words there will
be a moment when Satan will no longer exist.
You can see that the Bible many times talks about that Jesus will one day be king. If he will be a king then he will have to have subjects, would you
not agree? The question is then whom will he be ruling over - who will these subjects be?
The only hope for dead humans is resurrection. Those who died in the past will be resurrected at a time when Satan and the demons are no longer
The problem is that for many people the situation will be like it was for many before the flood. They did not believe that something like the flood
would come. The Bible book of 2. Peter, chapter 3 verses 3-6 refers to these kind of people. They in essence say that "no end will come - earth has
been here for ages, generation coming and next one going." But Jesus himself said about that people before the flood went about their daily
activities like nothing was going to happen (Matthew chapter 24, verses 37-39). He did not say that everyone who died was wicked, but that many simply
took no notice.
Jesus also said that he was coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). A thief will not announce in advance to the householder when he will come. Jesus
also said that he would come at a time when people would not think of it being the time (Matthew 24:44). In other words, Jesus would come to judge the
world at a time when people would not expect. This means that we should not think that he will come when our civilization has deteriorated or
collapsed or is in the midst of a 3rd world war.
In this sense the end of this world (actually, civilization) is in effect 'hidden' because there is nothing that shows or indicates to us that
something like that would ever happen.
This 'hiddennes' leads to people themselves showing what is in their own hearts. This way when Jesus comes to judge people (as the Bible refers to
separating them into sheep and goats), the people who are judged will have shown what kind of persons they are by how they have lived their lives.
It is also true that a persons relationship with God is always that persons relationship with God. There are no eartly lords in Gods organization as
can be seen in e.g. Matthew 20:25-28 and Romans 14:4. When Christianity left the original teachings they incorporated many things that had nothing to
do with the Bible. For example the aspect of being called a Father: in Matthew chapter 23, verses 9-11 Jesus says that we should not use that or other
titles (in a religious sense) on any humans. In 1st Timothy 4:3 Paul writes that in the later times some will "fall away from the faith", paying
attention to the teachings of demons, and among them forbidding others to marry. These things are exactly what is being done in some churches where
members of the clergy class are referred to as Fathers and are expected to live in celibate (as IF that is some command from God). But these are
certainly the only non-Biblical teachings at those places.
Another issue is that it is not difficult for a person to worship God. God does expect certain things (not ritualistic deeds), but these hardly limit
the amount of enjoyment that a human can get from life. That God created this planet for enjoyment can be seen in things such as the variety of plant
and animal life. God could have created only plant, such as the potato, for mankinds food, expecting everyone to eat that.
The claim that it is more righteous for a human to live like a self-depriving ascetic originates with apostate Christianity.
I am of course not trying to force you or anyone else to believe what I am writing. That is, for the first, not possible as you are your own person
and have to draw your own conclusions. For the second I am not even interested about that. This is just to give my point of view about these matters,
as this forum allows everyone to bring up their viewpoint.
[edit on 18-4-2009 by ats_account]