I think that the Freemasons have really lost sight of who they were. They used to stand for something important. They used to fight for what they thought was right. They were supposed to change the world, and now all they are is some lame frat for old men who play golf, and the most important thing they do now is simple neighborhood charity. Where is the honor? Now who's supposed to save the world from the crap heap it's turning into?

Originally posted by crimson616
...and the most important thing they do now is simple neighborhood charity. Where is the honor?

I think there is much honor on doing for others without any expectation of gain or profit other then the spiritual satisfaction that this endeavor provides.

Now who's supposed to save the world from the crap heap it's turning into?

How did we suddenly become the saviours of the world? Last time I heard was this not Obama's job description?

They might be lieing/hiding it

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

That's because their lairs. Ask one about UFO's or Nazis, they doge the question like their life depends on it.

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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

That's because their lairs. Ask one about UFO's or Nazis, they doge the question like their life depends on it.

I don't know anything about UFO's or Nazis. Maybe AugustusMasonicus can help you with that. What I can tell you is that Freemasonry is not the direct descendant of the Knights Templar, nor do we hide any treasures.

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Originally posted by crimson616
I think that the Freemasons have really lost sight of who they were. They used to stand for something important. They used to fight for what they thought was right. They were supposed to change the world, and now all they are is some lame frat for old men who play golf, and the most important thing they do now is simple neighborhood charity. Where is the honor? Now who's supposed to save the world from the crap heap it's turning into?

I don't think you understand what Freemasonry is about at all.

The tenets of Freemasonry have always been Brotherly Love, Relief, and Truth. How does contributiing to charity fall out of line with these tenets?

What is nobler than charity?

I think you've been reading too many picture-books which feature people wearing spandex and capes, dude....

Freemasonary is all about secracy, so how they can afford to come out in the open, Moreover the more they expose themselves, the more the fear of being excluded from their community and facing much more dire consequences...I think we need not shoot questions at them, as it is they won't be any help!

Its funny a lot of you seem to get your information about freemasons from all these conspiracy documentaries and stuff. Learn to do some real research, jesus. I admitedly don't know much about all this stuff, because its not that big of a interest of mine at the moment. My dad is a mason and goes to the local lodge here regulary... i have asked him about it before and what exactly they do and he never exactly tells me.. He does however joke and make fun of the people who talk about satanic ritual and stuff, he does tell me that they do rituals and stuff and he told me they aren't really "satanic" related at all (although he won't go into detail, its none of my business anyways though, so whatever). The way he basically talks about the lodge is its like a country club or something, they get together, talk about business, life and drink and play pool... etc. I can safely say my dad isn't some evil person (And I especially don't think hes having perverted homosexual orgies, like some people claim are part of the masons ritual lol), and I've met some of my dads friends who go to the lodge too and they are appear to be just normal people. I'm not speaking for anyone but I'm going to personally believe my dad over any of you or anything I read on the internet, because he raised me and I've NEVER ONCE caught him lying to me about anything. We are a also pretty poor and somehow he is accepted, so its not ALL the rich and elite either that are masons. My father is a mason and his father and probably his fathers father... although I've never been asked to join (or have any interest in it, atleast at this time in my life I don't). But I have no idea how it works. my dads never asked me if I want to join or anything, and I probably wouldnt anyways because I consider it kind of like religion (even though it isnt) and I really have a big dislike for all religion. Maybe thats why I never been asked, cause he knows I'm like that.

One of you guys said ask them about ufos and nazis and theyll dodge the question... well for your guys' info MY FATHER IS THE ONE who got me into ufos and the paranormal and ALL this stuff and we discuss and talk about it all the time. He even beileves in the illuminati.

And by the way guys you can ask them questions... ive asked my dad and his buddies plenty of questions and got answers you just don't go up to them with a big conspiracy theorist attitude and talk down to them and ask them questions about their rituals and stuff. Of course they are private, hell I don't blaim them, the information people do know about them they twist it around so much and make them all appear to be the most evil people on the planet, when in reality masons are my dad, your dad, your uncle, they can be ANYONE.


By the way guys I DO believe in the illuminati but I believe it goes MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH deeper than the masons... just cause someones a mason doesn't mean they are involved in the illumnati is basically what I'm trying to say. I do however agree with you there does appear to be a connection with the masons, but I personally don't believe ALL masons know about this or are involved in it.

please don't try to argue with me or send me offensive messages and call me a sheep or say I'm brainwashed and stuff. Because I'm not i'm not brainwashed, I believe in most of this stuff too, hell even my own FATHER who is a free mason believes in most this stuff too. Hes the one that got me into "fringe" type subjects about the paranormal and ufos and stuff when I was younger. I'm just simply saying that its not as simple as you guys think it is, like I said it goes MUCH deeper than the masons.

Some of you make me sick just pointing the finger at people, calling people brainwashed. In my opionon some of you are the brainwashed ones with your EXTREME conspiracy theories.



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Freemasons don't deny anything, or confirm anything either, so what are you talking about?