And who then is at the top?

'Genuine' brotherly love and charity are not to be found behind closed doors in secret societies or "society with secrets" as members of such organizations so fondly call the organization to which you walk with.

That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on Earth rather than a chosen few.

This poster requires no translation. My English is very clear is it not ?

Originally posted by Celtic-Man



That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on Earth rather than a chosen few.

It seems to me that the Masons have *always* openly discussed and practiced those things. Where do you get the idea otherwise?

Originally posted by Celtic-Man

'Genuine' brotherly love and charity are not to be found behind closed doors in secret societies or "society with secrets" as members of such organizations so fondly call the organization to which you walk with.

That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on Earth rather than a chosen few.

I'm sorry but who died and left you arbiter to mete out the definition of what qualifies as "'Genuine' brotherly love and charity"? You're welcome to your opinion of the same. But appreciate that it's your opinion and yours alone, not a universal, incontrovertible truth.

Masonry teaches is adherents to do charitable works for their own sake and not for any personal glory or recognition. Masonry isn't alone or unique in giving that guidance nor does it claim otherwise. To blindly suggest that what goes on in-Lodge is "not genuinely good for every human being on Earth" is to speak from personal ignorance masquerading as genuine concern.

As a Freemason and Knight Templar perhaps I can offer insight.

The Order of the Temple is a degree in the York Rite of Freemasonry. One must be a Master Mason in order to join York Rite, then he can proceed through the degrees to Knight Templar.

The masonic Knights Templar haven't established any direct connection with the Templar Knights of de Molay's time, although it would be nice if such a connection could be proven.

I don't think it's possible to disprove a Templar connection to Freemasonry, but I don't know why anyone would want to.

There are many organizations like SMOTJ and the Rosicrucians that claim a Templar heritage as well.

The masonic Knights Templar simply try to model themselves after the poor-fellow knights that escorted believers to the Holy Land.

And to make pancakes.

And have fish fries, etc.

Originally posted by Celtic-Man


That which is 'genuinely good' is discussed openly with no fear unless that which is being spoken of is not genuinely good for every human being on Earth rather than a chosen few.

would that be refering to the few that chose to join the fraternity? It's not like you have to be royalty, or a specific bloodline to be a mason. You just have to be a non fellon who thinks there is a force greater than he. (ie. God or some form of higher power) Oh, the priceless look on the faces of all these fear mongers if they were to ever see what really goes on inside the blue lodge. You would show up with your newest copy of how to cook little children with rice, and be a bit disapointed.

Originally posted by network dude
You would show up with your newest copy of how to cook little children with rice, and be a bit disapointed.

Children and rice? I would never eat that, rice is nasty.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I don't know why so many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

I don't know why all the conspiracists are in denial that their "theories" and defamations are completely unfounded.

There are many books debating the subject of a KT-FM connection. I would guess that "Physical Proof" would be a little hard to come by because if you were being persecuted and hunted like wild dogs you wouldn't want there to be "proof" of your connections because your life was at stake!

Read books by many authors and I think you can see the very real possibilities in the connection. Ever look at flags and coat of arms much?

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

They're not in denial. They just have to follow their rules, which means deflection, denial, and all that jazz.

So the real question should be, why do we keep asking freemasons to share secrets of the craft, when we know good and well that any good freemason would do no such thing. I for one am tired of playiing merry-go-round with them, and have actually come to respect that they follow their rules so adamantly.

Originally posted by Privy_Princess

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I've been reading The Rise of the 4th Reich and apparently the group was a direct descendant of the Knights of Templar. I don't know why so many freemasons are in denial of everything that is said about their history or about them.

They're not in denial. They just have to follow their rules, which means deflection, denial, and all that jazz.

So the real question should be, why do we keep asking freemasons to share secrets of the craft, when we know good and well that any good freemason would do no such thing. I for one am tired of playiing merry-go-round with them, and have actually come to respect that they follow their rules so adamantly.

you know why its a merry-go-round? ready.........THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN FREEMASONRY. What?!?

It's true sorry to disappoint you, but there are really no secrets in freemasonry, and the only thing that is considered "secret" is the Modes of Recognition and the signs and handshakes, but that's just so we can identify each other.

What secrets would you like to know? Do you know want to know our ritual? Easy go to Barnes and Noble and pick up "Duncan's Ritual" or lurk the internetz more to find it. Want to know what we talk about at our "secret" meetings? Fine go ahead and ask we all discuss the same thing pretty much at our meetings and that is, what we are doing this month, and what we are serving at our next dinner and breakfast. They are extremely boring to be honest.

Btw, i would love to see a connection of the Freemason's to the Historical Knights Templar. i have been to Roslyn and have been to the chapel. ALSO little know fact about Roslyn Chapel. There is a Masonic Lodge across the street. haha i was trying to go in and visit some brethren but no one was in the lodge.

A family member of mine recently became a freemason - his friend that helped him join told me some tale about the knights templar when I asked him about the organization.

Now whenever my family member goes to Freemason stuff I tease him about "Reptilians." All I really care about is does his membership qualify me for some of that excellent secret freemason gold?!

All I know, from a boring, non-conspiracy theory standpoint, is that it's basically a big back-scratching networking club for men. Oh and they sit in throne chairs which I have actually seen first hand. It's an ego boosting thing - which must be good for male morale especially when the economy is in the dumps.

Originally posted by Sauron
Maybe a Mason might tell you about Forget me nots and some history of Masonry in WWII Germany.




[edit on 5/4/2009 by Sauron]

Quoted for truth...

Originally posted by mysterybee
All I know, from a boring, non-conspiracy theory standpoint, is that it's basically a big back-scratching networking club for men. Oh and they sit in throne chairs which I have actually seen first hand. It's an ego boosting thing - which must be good for male morale especially when the economy is in the dumps.

Oh wow, you've seen the "throne chairs"?

You are clearly an authority on what Masonry is and isn't.

Thanks everyone, we're done here!

THREAD CLOSED.

FORUM LOCKED.

So if attending lodge meetings is so excruitiatingly boring and void of intellectual discussion, WHY do you continue to meet as lodges? Better yet, where does the passion for the craft come from? You all so obviously are proud of your memberships, there must be SOME REASON you cling to this boring past-time.