I believe in aliens, it seems foolish to discount the possibility at any least and I like the idea. As for your clinchers I cant agree. Admittedly two of them are very odd but first I'll talk about the Nazcar lines. I always thought they were only viewable from the air for similar reasons as why many churches were designed to look like crosses from the air, for God to see. Maybe they are for simply symbolic reasons and not meant to be viewed or even the act of making them was the importance of them? I also cant discount the possibility that the cave paintings aren't just modern misinterpretations, they say people see what they want to see and flavour their interpretations with their own experience, a bit like how we find galaxies that look like things, or clouds even.

The star map is certainly very interesting, it had me pretty convinced until I read another member's posts, with the seemingly boundless expanse that is space having the ability to match up a seemingly random array of dots with existing star systems really could be coincidence, has anyone tried doing it with a randomly generated set of stars? As we discover the heavens we might find every arrangement of stars given a little lenience as with the original? I have to say though it does add weight but not a clincher for me.

I really don't know about the recording, it seems like proof that something is going on and that something could be aliens given the circumstances of the sightings. The first thing that comes to mind is the amount of edited and second hand information that's bouncing around the net but this is supposed to be from one guy a full recording so maybe. I find it unfortunate that its been claimed a hoax though, oh and you mention two people hearing it, if the hoaxer was a radio operator then anyone in range who was listening would have heard it, did anyone else? There must have been more than two people listening in on the missions.

These things have certainly made me pause though, and I don't discount the possibility that the nazcar lines are for aliens and the cave paintings are said aliens. Nor that the star map might be real, its my favourite of the three and the recording might only be labelled as a hoax to hide the truth it contains, then again that last one would only prove that there was something going on, not the nature of that thing.

Nice topic all the same .

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by djvexd
I am not a debunker but a believing skeptic...you have shown nor proven nothing. . .

Lies.


Jkrog has no doubt spent several hours putting this thread together.

He has filled it with images from around the world - taking the time to research, upload and source each one of them.

To say he has 'shown nothing' is a lie - and proof is relative.

So, why did you lie?

Proof is something we can measure. Proof is something we can test repeatedly, with the same results. Proof is something that can stand the rigors of peer review.

Proof is not a cave painting or a story or a youtube video and proof is NOT relative to the observer. He's definitely shown things, absolutely. Those things were thought provoking and interesting but they're not proof.

So What’s The Big Deal?

I mean, to the debunkers, what’s the big deal if ETs have visited Earth? It does get frustrating seeing the same old grinding arguments from them like a needle stuck in a gramophone groove or a tape recorder that’s lost its hinges.

Let’s see mathematically, (I won’t go into the details now) the odds of the existence of ETs. If the visible universe could be shrunk to the size of a golf ball, then it would take a sphere 850 light years across to fill it with these golf balls! Incomprehensible? Yes! That’s pretty mind boggling to say the least!

Now in all these trillions of golf balls that are universes, there could be more technologically advanced civilizations than all the grains of sand on Earth’s beaches plus some!

In this there could be millions of civilizations that are Type II and beyond that have mastered FTL space travel. According to Dr Michio Kaku, Type III civilizations could very well be flitting around and between universes as well as in other dimensions too!

Could a handful of some of these civilizations have visited Earth? Why not? They have the capabilities to do so.

So again, what’s the big deal if ETs have visited Earth? In this huge universe/universes, are we the only sentient beings? I think not!

Cheers!

Mmmmmm, human adrenal glands.
You humans are all over the place.
We didn't visit earth, we have always been here. We can go out there as well. We are not visitors, we are the 30% or the fallen 1/3. We inhabit many worlds, and there are those of us who have been forgotten and left behind.

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Originally posted by mikesingh
So again, what’s the big deal if ETs have visited Earth? In this huge universe/universes, are we the only sentient beings? I think not!

Of course ETs may be here. Of course they may have visited in the past. This thread is about proof. Objectively, there isn't any.

Why do people who throw 'there's no continuity in the worldwide evidence' use that to try and debunk information.
Like the ancient cave drawings from thousands of years ago, " they don't look similar , so therefore they are not aliens".
The oe reason there's no continuity is that different people have different drawing skills so no 2 images are going to look identical.
With the materials they had , even they weren't the same the world over so why should all the images 'look similar'?.
Besides apparently there are at least 57 different species ( accordingf to net sources and here on ATS) so even thought a grey looks similar to another grey they are diffferent, so maybe it wasn't the same group that visited the ancient cultures.
And besides ,my take on the floating heads scene, is that if you looked at a crowd of people then had to try and draw it , how many heads would you see as opposed to bodies, would you take the time to daw they're heads AND bodies , how could you see their bodies if they were behind another being? If you have to draw a crowd or a mass of people you'd focus on the front rowsx bodies then draw the heads only behind, its all a matter of perspective..

IMO

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Have you made real-world efforts in your research of the phenomena?
(BTW, haranguing us for our speculations is not research)

Jumping to conclusions is not research. Try to read real science sometime.

*Here is another image of the Edo UFO and the occupant with her strange gold box.

OK, I concede you have a point, this is clearly an alien gold box, it has alien writing all around it!

Originally posted by nablator
Jumping to conclusions is not research.

Then why do you continue to do it so regularly?

Perhaps you should try speculating, as most of us are currently doing.

There is no need for you to get so upset over a few of us speculating about such things - in the Alien and UFO's forum of all places...

Relax.

Originally posted by nablator
OK, I concede you have a point, this is clearly an alien gold box, it has alien writing all around it!

You are the one who has interpreted the gold box as being an 'alien gold box' that has 'alien writing all around it'...

...Those are your words.

*I only said that the box was 'strange' - I did this in two posts.


Cheers!

[edit on 5-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

you just cant wake some people up, because they do not want to awake!

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by nablator
Jumping to conclusions is not research.

Then why do you continue to do it so regularly?

Perhaps you should try speculating, as most of us are currently doing.

There is no need for you to get so upset over a few of us speculating about such things - in the Alien and UFO's forum of all places...

Relax.

Originally posted by nablator
OK, I concede you have a point, this is clearly an alien gold box, it has alien writing all around it!

You are the one who has interpreted the gold box as being an 'alien gold box' that has 'alien writing all around it'...

...Those are your words.

*I only said that the box was 'strange' - I did this in two posts.


Cheers!

[edit on 5-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

Good points.

I always wondered why those who try to debunk everything get upset because people are speculating and talking about these thing on a folder titled Aliens & UFO's. That doesn't make any sense to me.

I think it's because they are dealing with a belief that they hold about these things and because it's a belief they want to be certain. If you notice everything is absolute with many of them. Any picture or video has been discussed and debunked so lets just shut down ATS since they have all the answers.

I think the cave paintings are very interesting and also there not in isolation. These things have been recorded in cave paintings, paintings, ancient manuscripts, picture and video. Everyone who reports these things are not stupid as some so called debunkers want you to believe.

All of these things can only be false or mistaken if you reduce life in the universe to a box that started on earth 4.5 billion years ago.

I mean just think about it.

Every abduction case - false or mistaken
Every eyewitness account - false or mistaken
Every mass sighting - false or mistaken
Every picture - false or mistaken
Every video - false or mistaken

This is truly illogical and you can only make these assumptions if you start with the priori that these things don't or can't exist. On what grounds do you reduce life in the universe into a box?

We don't know what constitutes 96% of the universe.

These people can't tell you wether there a simulation or a hologram and yet they can tell you that all of these things are false or mistaken? That makes no sense.

We have to be enlightened enough at this point in our species or we are in trouble. There's no reason when it comes to these things. People throw reason and logic out of the window because they start with a belief.

I also think the Betty Hill star map is interesting. I was familiar with the Betty and Barney Hill story in general but the star map is intriguing.

From what I understand she had no knowledge of Astronomy and her map had pictures of a star system that was found years later. How did she know these things with no knowledge of Astronomy? This is what I looked for. If anyone has any information that she had knowledge of Astronomy I would like to hear it.

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Nazca lines were probably messages to their gods and not to an alien race, all though it could be possible that they are the same thing this is in know way irrefutable evidence.

Cave drawings are interesting but just don't look like the modern day depiction of a 'grey' - your asking allot from the imagination here. Also you may want to read Graham Hancocks' book 'supernatural' it offers a valuable insight into why these cave painting appeared which basically was because of hallucinogenic plants. Although Hancock does go onto argue the case for aliens as well and even attempts to merge to two ideas - very interesting.

I have seen a few NASA videos and they seem the most coherent in terms of actual evidence, so yea NASA does have some explaining to do - but then you do have to consider space debris and the fact that they are always on the look out for the possibility of other nations blowing them out of the sky, unlikely but they have to consider this - an out of orbit satellite could easily be identified as a bogey.

I am a believer down to things I have seen personally but this does not offer anybody with strong evidence as you suggested. If anything it gives unbelievers more leverage to not take believers seriously.

Cheers