Protests and Political Tensions Mar NATO Meeting

Protests and Political Tensions Mar NATO Meeting

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Anti-globalization Protesters in EU

STRASBOURG, France — NATO leaders walked across a sweeping bridge over the Rhine between Germany and France to symbolize Europe’s unity on Saturday morning, but later in the day, masked protesters were battling the police of both countries on another bridge nearby, called the Bridge of Europe.

The protesters, who are a mix of anti-globalization and anti-military activists, set a hotel and border post on fire, while riot police used tear gas.

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“Antiglobalization” Protests and the Future of Democracy

These are strange times for global democracy. According to most commentators, the past decade has been very good for democracy.

The collapse of the Soviet Union and its empire in Eastern Europe paved the way for a rapid expansion of liberal democracy into new territories.

I'm seeing more Coutries Protesting but where will it lead us?

Can Global Democracy work?

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New research program on Global Democracy established

A global research program facilitated and coordinated through a convening group of ten persons based in ten world regions was established last year with core funding from the Ford Foundation. The program's new website was now launched.

The BGD Program brings together academic researchers, civil society activists, entrepreneurs, journalists and officials to "explore how ‘rule by and for the people’ can be understood and practiced in relation to global issues". One of the program's lead questions is how affected people can participate in and control the governance of global concerns.

Globalization and Antiglobalization in the Modern World

Globalization is the principally new step in the development of the long-term process of internationalization (transnationalization) of the economic, political, cultural, legal and other aspects of the society's life, at the point when interrelationships between the national socials have reached such a level, when some drastic changes within the entire world community gradually transforming into the integral society institute, became inevitable.

The level of economic, scientific, technological, legal and informational interrelationships of the national industries have reached a point, when at least three principally novel features are imminent. First, the world's economic community, formerly seen as loosely connected multiple countries, is gradually transforming into the integral economic system, with national societies now representing the constituents of the integral world's economic body.

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I don’t believe it can, but for one simple reason. The democratic processes being used are not democratic.

The issues that politicians are run on are spoon fed to the voting populace. Opinions on how to tackle these issues are spoon fed to the voting populace. Yet, those op-ed snippets and sound bites don’t actually deal with the depth or breadth of the issues and often purposefully hide them. Conventional wisdom is substituted in the process for actual wisdom. Political correctness is substituted in the process for actual correctness.

Over worked, under paid, harried and stressed voters accept that purposeful veneer as reality and vote for the candidate who provides the sound bite that best fits the individual issues being presented based on those distortions and omissions.

In most cases people are actually getting the opposite results they were led to believe they could expect.

I don’t live in Europe but true democracy in the United States has long been dead. Our representative republic is not actually a representation of what people are in it, but what people are taught to believe through mass media manipulation and indoctrination into vague beliefs and purposes, that if you actually queried the average voter on any given subject you would find they have little or no knowledge at all regarding the depth and breadth of the issues they are voting on a candidate to resolve or accomplish.

Liberal really just means gulliable enough to consent to almost anything and advocate it as well.

``Democracy`` yeah right. When we protest and they don't give a flying fark about it... see: Iraq War protests, G20 protests, bank bailout protests... ect... THEY DON'T CARE, marching in the streets don't do squat. If you want real protests, DO MASSIVE STRIKES. Or if we could isolate the capital... we should build a wall around the legislature. Don't let them go throught, let them die of starvation until they bow down to the people.

Someday we'll have to take arms to get rid of the scum who are between us and the leaders, the police. The police are retards, they are being screwed as much as us! So what the hell are you doing stopping us from putting those scumbags in jail?

The police should turn against their masters and spearhead the protest.

And a global democracy cannot exist. A ``global`` solution is by definition undemocratic.

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It would be almost impossible. I agree. So why are they pushing it on us?

There are such diversities in cultures, economics, freedoms, etc.

A Global Democracy is their goal but like you say ‘Yet, those op-ed snippets and sound bites don’t actually deal with the depth or breadth of the issues and often purposefully hide them.”

There are most definitely hidden agenda’s going on behind the scenes.

It will be quite interesting to how this will play out, despite a global protest.

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There was a time in history that protesters were taken seriously.

It’s a reflection of the rights of the people.

I assume if we all started protesting Homeland Security would step in to end it.

It’s gotten too big to stop in my opinion. It seems like you are referring to another Civil War. It just might come down to that but with serious consequences.

I wish the Police would turn on their masters and spearhead the protest, as you say. Wouldn’t that be awesome!

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It would be almost impossible. I agree. So why are they pushing it on us?

There are such diversities in cultures, economics, freedoms, etc.

A Global Democracy is their goal but like you say ‘Yet, those op-ed snippets and sound bites don’t actually deal with the depth or breadth of the issues and often purposefully hide them.”

There are most definitely hidden agenda’s going on behind the scenes.

It will be quite interesting to how this will play out, despite a global protest.

In many ways they have no choice but to push it on us.

Imagine it this way...when Stalin took over Russia, what did he do? He forced relocated tens upon tens of millions of people. He did it for several reasons, one to elliminate long standing ethnic rivalries that were counterproductive and destabilizing to the state. Another reason was to put workers into areas were vital natural resources were to utilize them in the industrialization of the society. Another reason was to destroy political and religious oposition eminating from specific quarters. Millions died in the process, millions more were uprooted and lost most everything in the process. In the end there were few people left to dissent, and he had the image of a working society he wanted.

Now take that and apply it to a very over populated globe, were religious and political and ethnic tensions are always being exploited or fermenting hostilities and agression. Realize that each group sees it's security in breeding to the point of excess for safety and security in numbers. Then contemplate how quickly natural resources are being exhausted in that effort.

The only way you can get nations and groups with binding phillosophies to stop breeding to excess is to eliminate the borders and phillosophies that lead to it.

Under the present system there are few leaders who have enough power over their population to regulate breeding. People would rebel against the notion, and either immigrate to other nations where they could breed without any inhibitions or attempt to over throw the regime.

No individual nation or religion is going to voluntarily stop breeding to excess as they would consider it leading to their eventual loss of security and extinction.

One world government is really about elliminating competing religions, phillosophies and ethnic and regional rivalries.

The global elitists do control the infrastructure, and they can starve us into submission through it...that is in reality what the world wide economic crisis is about...starving us in slow degrees until they reach the level that there is no longer any resistance in mass to the globilization of society.

I really believe that's why it's being forced on us.

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Marches build and rejuvenate the various movements for human rights by sending a message to those in power, and by forever changing the lives of participants.

This is intended to mean something. Not to be considered a terrorist!

When you mention RELOCATE 10’s of millions of people it make me think about FEMA Camps. Creepy.

Your comment “One world government is really about eliminating competing religions, philosophies and ethnic and regional rivalries.” I can relate.

You have a point about starving us out. We wouldn’t be out protesting then would we?




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Marches build and rejuvenate the various movements for human rights by sending a message to those in power, and by forever changing the lives of participants.

Life is a funny old dog...things are seldom as they appear on the surface.

Terrorism by dictionary definition is the use of terror to inpsire psychological or physical harm for political purposes.

In other words politics drives terrorism, who drives politics? Politicians...the War Against Terror...is actually a war to promote terror.

Are hijackers terrorized at domestic airports when a small child asks mommy why is the man with the uniform and gun taking our things, and making us stand here?

Of course not...it's the citizens being terrorized by their own government...told they need to give up liberties and freedoms to be protected by the real boogey man.

Of course their is no boogey man, just the men in the jack boots and the uniforms holding the power of life and death, freedom or imprisonment over you.

Terrorists have become anyone not parroting the party line, anyone not politically correct, anyone not bowing to conventional wisdom, anyone engaged in the act of self determination.

In regards to the last...the right to self determination...how many times has someone rudely treated you with arrogance, dismissal or distain, because you were trying to determine for yourself through questioning out loud that party/political correct/conventional wisdom line?

Sadly people dont' want freedom as much as they want validation.

They crave validation for absolution.

In other words...most people are desperate to be absolved for their stupitidy, foolishness, selfishness and laziness.

That's the alure of being politically correct and following conventional wisdom and the party line...absolution.

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Yes, things are seldom as they appear on the surface. I think it’s still a liitle to soon to tell if this is a new type of Global resistance protest movement, especially involving people with different opinions and views about the world.

Some are for it and some against. I also agree with your opinion of terrorist rules. Home Land Security has made some drastic changes based on “Protecting the People” and it will eventually be used against the people.

I think we on on the same page.