Pretty strong words from someone that doesn't even know you. These words tend to strike a blow to most people who read them and yet do they justify
your feeling of anger towards me for using them? This statement appears to permeate the very core of the ATS forum from what I've read recently and
this is my reason for creating this thread.
Through numerous reminders throughout the threads and whole threads dedicated to stopping the spread of hate, I find it necessary to say a few words
on the subject.
****PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE OP BEFORE REPLYING - THIS IS NOT AN AVENUE TO VOICE YOUR RACISM OR HATRED TOWARDS A GROUP - I, AS WELL AS OTHERS WILL
REPORT THOSE DOING SO****
Let me start off by first stating that my title "I Hate YOU!" is in no way my true feelings towards anyone. It would appear that certain titles
within ATS can bring you the viewer by using certain words. The word 'hate' seems to be one of the words that leads to many clicking on the link to
see what is being said and how they can get away with such speech on ATS. I take it as playing the game like the MSM, and using the 'Bi-line" or
title to attract the masses to the info. In my previous thread it seemed to have worked the opposite. I used the word "Love" which probably had
people stay away from it and seeing it as something from a 'wishy washy' writer who's writings wouldn't have any benefits to the reader. I guess
we'll see if this works. Hopefully, those that do at least take the time to peruse my ramblings will also take the time to leave their two cents
worth, or more.... but please do read the entire thread.
Recently, there has been much stated by the ATS staff about the apparent hate writing going on within the threads, I have really failed to see it. I
do see that there are those that have various opinions that may be construed as hate but I do not see any clear indications of hatred going on. Is
this a conspiracy? Possibly? Lets look at it.
First, a definition of hate;
- to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry.
- to be unwilling; dislike: I hate to do it
loathe, execrate; despise. Hate, abhor, detest, abominate imply feeling intense dislike or aversion toward something. Hate, the simple and general
word, suggests passionate dislike and a feeling of enmity: to hate autocracy. Abhor expresses a deep-rooted horror and a sense of repugnance or
complete rejection: to abhor cruelty; Nature abhors a vacuum. Detest implies intense, even vehement, dislike and antipathy, besides a sense of
disdain: to detest a combination of ignorance and arrogance. Abominate expresses a strong feeling of disgust and repulsion toward something thought of
as unworthy, unlucky, or the like: to abominate treachery.
- the feeling of one who hates; intense dislike or extreme aversion or hostility.
animosity, detestation, loathing, abomination.
The above definitions are from Dictionary.com. I would include a definition of hate from the ATS boards perspective but they have yet to provide one,
even though they've been asked numerous times for such definitions and examples. I can understand that this would not be possible on their behalf
because to do so would have them using every possible form of english that can be used to intentionally insult and hurt the person who is viewing the
thread or the intended victim, which is usually a group.
When someone clicks a link on ATS to follow a thread by title alone, the reader is usually given some idea as to what the story may be in reference to
or what the viewer may find within the thread. A title like "North Korea threatens war against Japan over missile" may lead the reader to it
because he sees that as a threat to the life of someone they know. The person just reading this title may have very angry feelings towards North
Korea just from reading the title and not following the information which is vital to actually making any kind of justifiable thought let alone
comment on the subject.
Another may see the title "Teens Could Spend 25 Years in Prison for Allegedly Torturing Cat, Setting It on Fire" and have extreme hostility towards
these teens and those that defend their actions. The viewer must actually read the article before making a judgment on the circumstances that the
title appears to explain. While this title may be inexcusable to the most conscious viewer there seems to be something wrong in the way we perceive
To just touch on a point of this story, these teens did this act of cruelty to an animal during a break and enter. For their deed, they may spend 25
years within prison walls. If you read some of the comments that are provided within the thread you will see that there is much hatred for these
teens because of their vile act. I personally find it disgusting and find myself hating their actions. Yet some have made statements that this is
the beginning of their downfall and that they will be worse than Hitler in the very short term should they not be taken off the street. These are
pretty strong statements and leave any accused of such a crime not capable of living within our society at any time in the future. That is quite the
thinking from a group who I thought were more intellectual and more understanding, given the fact that they read about all the atrocities that our
governments have led us to believe.
We have places around the world where things that may have happened to the cat are happening daily to our own brothers and sisters. Human beings are
being tortured like this and we have some defending the actions of their government because these people are terrorists. All the while not one has
been convicted in a court of law as a terrorist. We make it legal and part of the law to be able to crush a child's testicles to make the parent
talk and some will defend this action, yet we have some that spout off their hatred for these teens and it is allowed. Does this make sense?
In a way it does. The fact is that most of the comments in the Cat thread did not use words that led to the viewer seeing hatred as the underlying
theme. Some stated that maybe they should just light them up with charcoal and do the same thing. Others stated that 25 years wasn't enough.
Others saw it as 'It was a cat' forget about it. Whatever your feeling, a creature lost its life by the intentional action of another creature.
Now lets take away the cat and instead put in the word Boy. I can only imagine the comments that would ensue should that be. Yet would it still be
construed as hatred? Would it be right to say these people are espousing hatred? Given the definitions of hate and hatred above, I could honestly
say that some of the comments are hatred. Replace the word cat/boy with American or Canadian and your into a whole new realm... Change it to the
ethnicity of someone that lives near the Gaza conflict and you'd have troubles on your hands.
What I'm trying to show is that our use of words leads to whether your classified as someone who is promoting hatred. I for one find it abhorant and
detest what these teens have done to that poor creature. Do I think they should be locked away? I really don't know because I only have the MSM to
give the details and that has been shown to be embellished in the past. But did you notice my use of words? I 'detest' the actions of these teens
and I find it 'abhorrent' what they did. These words are the definition of hate. Nowhere in my statement did I say that I hated these teens. I
stated I hated their actions.
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