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Give up anti-Americanism, Obama tells Europe

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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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He is just an actor, what does it matter what he really says.

Anto americanism has come from what america has done to the world, and europeans are not as asleep as americans, when it comes to your crimes.

If america wants this too stop, they would have to stop all there crimes, and obviosly that will never stop.




posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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The reason the bases are there is because Europe is too cheap and lazy to defend themselves.

Some of you tend to forget that the only reason your not clicking your heals and singing the Horst Wessel Lied is because 416,800 Americans gave their tomorrow for your today.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by ChrisF231
reply to post by Britguy
 

The reason the bases are there is because Europe is too cheap and lazy to defend themselves.

Some of you tend to forget that the only reason your not clicking your heals and singing the Horst Wessel Lied is because 416,800 Americans gave their tomorrow for your today.


"The only reason"? And some Americans wonder why there's anti-American feeling across so many parts of the world.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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that wont be hard when we become full on police state socialist nazi. Thouggh wait, hasnt europeans given us there solidarity and shown a desire to have republican democracy, but not our version of it.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Most americans don't feel that way.don't take a few posters on a board personally.

Most americans think the bases are there as a collaborative agreement in case anything goes really south.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by nixie_nox]



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


Most americans don't feel that way.don't take a few posters on a board personally.

Most americans think the bases are there as a collaborative agreement in case anything goes really south.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by nixie_nox]


Don't worry, I'm certainly aware that many Americans don't think or feel that way. Unfortunately though, for everyone - American and non-American alike - that kind of thinking, even if espoused by a relative minority is still prevalent enough to nurture a lot of resentment. It's never about 'jealousy' as is often proclaimed on this board and many others, it's the kind of attitude I've quoted above.

Which is all sadly ironic given the title of the thread.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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But is it really fair to judge an entire population by the views of a few?



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Merriman Weir
 


But is it really fair to judge an entire population by the views of a few?



Well, I can only speak for myself and I personally don't judge an entire population by the views of a few. The point I was making is that the kind of attitude espoused above is pretty prevalent, prevalent enough to draw ire from many quarters around the world. Yes, it's probably a minority that's articulating these views, but the views themselves are quite commonplace.

To be completely serious, I don't think I've ever posted on an international message board in the dozen years I've used the internet, where this kind of Ameri-centricism has been an issue.

I never actually used to be 'anti-American' in anyway, shape or form. When I was a child I was completely enamoured with certain aspects of American culture, whether it was comics, music or whatever. However, that changed over the last dozen years or so and a large part has been down to the constant drip-drip-drip exposure to Ameri-centricism on the internet.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
who cares what he says

until they still have military bases across the globe talk is cheap
very very cheap in fact

actions speak louder than words
forget anything he has to say
he must act!

close the bases oppressing the world and bankrupting the american economy


Oppressing the world ? How exactly is that happening ?? There are more democratically elected nations today than there were just 30 years ago. More stable democracies and more countries granting more liberties to their citizens today than there were just 30 years ago. Give one good reason to close US bases across the world . Is your nation going to ensure world peace when it cant even ensure peace within its own borders ? Are the Chinese/Russians ? Are the Europeans ??


Europe in itself is dependent on America for its economic and military survival. There have been more terrorist attacks and Islamic attacks in Europe than on CONUS, yet Europeans are too impotent to defend themselves and work for their own security. As for Europeans, they should be more bothered about what the American citizen thinks of their EU, which is akin to an economic syndicate or their patently insouciant attitude towards their own well being.

I dont think we need to be convincing anybody about being pro-America, least of all the Europeans, not after what we have done for them in the past and what we continue to do for them.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by andy1033
He is just an actor, what does it matter what he really says.

Anto americanism has come from what america has done to the world, and europeans are not as asleep as americans, when it comes to your crimes.

If america wants this too stop, they would have to stop all there crimes, and obviosly that will never stop.


Europe talking about America's "crimes" ???


Apparently, today's europeans have forgotten the sins of their fathers, we Americans and the rest of the humanity hasnt either.

How you tried to enslave all the people of Asia, Africa and even America.

How you introduced vile and repugnant practices like Slavery and despotism to the world.

How you destroyed countless cultures through your barbarism and how you embroiled the world into your disputes with WW2 and made them sacrifice themselves for your causes.

Need I continue ???

And you are preaching to us ??
Our crimes are mere misdemeanors when compared to your vile and sordid history. Dont your dare claim some high moral ground and pass sundy judgment on our excesses.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Bases do not dictate policy.


No, but they are there to back them up militarily. We have finally paid off the loans from WWII and I for one would like to see US bases on British soil removed once and for all. They are not needed and we have no obligation to allow them to remain.


Fine, we would also take ALL our weapons, equipment, personel and nukes from your island, not to mention kick your military off any of our bases worldwide.

Lets see if you even make it to the end of this century unscathed with your precious "kingdom" intact.

I bet there are quite a few "colonies" that would like to settle some scores. If you think the "Royal" Military/whatever can hold its own, good luck to you!



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Copernicus
I think many Europeans wonder why it is OK for the US to have bases all over the world when its not OK that European countries builds bases in the US. How would you like a large Chinese military base outside Washington?

Because, the US doesnt need protection from Europeans who cant even protect themselves. Moreover, US bases world wide are there to ensure world peace and stability. The US unlike the Europeans, uses its bases to promote and help the spread of basic liberties around the world and also in helping provide a stable world. An Example of the French in Africa or the British in just any part of the world is enough to see their "contributions" to the local populace, in contrast to the US military in Korea, Japan, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Europeans are imperialists by nature so they would never understand how one can have troops all over the world and yet not have designs to rule over other people.

Also, China is NOT an European country.



Originally posted by Copernicus
Its a double standard. And with the US history of constant conflicts and wars, of course the world doesnt trust you. You get all horrified about some country building a missile, but what about looking in the mirror for once? What are you building and where in the world?

It is NOT in the slightest. The United States of America unlike third-world bannana republics are NOT the same. This is self evident to even a 4 years old child. The USA is a responsible nation that has a code of behavior that it abides by. Where as unstable dictatorships and banana republics that are in chaos building deadly weapons has a impact upon the global peace and stability. This concerns us as it should any moral people. Unfortunately, Europeans are increasingly loosing that status and thus it is inevitable that they can no longer comprehend nor care about what Americans do.


Originally posted by Copernicus
The US is building a global empire and while this surely is OK for some Americans, it may not be so OK for Europeans. And whats funny is that you would go totally nuts if some other country acted like you do.



Only ignorant non-Americans make this kind of absurd assertion because they cant comprehend the fact that America with all its power is not interested in any "conquest" like the Europeans of old. The US rules over nobody except Americans in any way shape or form and is loath to take responsibility for any other people's welfare. The USA primary interest in the world is to maintain global peace and stability. When any group of people seeks to disrupt those goals, the US takes notice and acts to prevent them from succeeding.


Originally posted by Copernicus
Its not anti-Americanism, its just common sense to not want some other country intruding on your soil. Why is this so hard to understand and why is this called anti-Americanism?


Obviously, you are utterly ignorant of the fact that the US in almost all cases has bases in other countries at the request of those nations. In Japan, Korea, Afghanistan, etc most bases are at the request of the host nations as they, unlike you, realize that the US is there to promote stability and security. By having the US there, it guarantees them safety and also helps the US promote its goals of spreading and ensuring freedom and democracy.

[edit on 5-4-2009 by IAF101]



posted on Apr, 6 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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europeans need to get of their high horses they have had most of the bloodiest history this world has EVER seen.

let see how many empires have come and gone in europe? french,spanish,english aka britanna and the worse of the worse nazi.

who raped and plunder south and central americas for of all things gold.

and to what a empire the very definition is: rob rape plunder and pillage and take back to the king or queens coffers.

obama is a traitor kiss the ass of the world cause he wants to be liked.--THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP. THAT IS NOT DIPLOMACY.

i am gonna repeat myself GET OFF their HIGH HORSES they HAVE NO ROOM TO SPEAK if you were to ask someone of those time periods i think they would have told you to "get spent"



[edit on 6-4-2009 by neo67]



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