Caves. Are they safe?, page 2
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reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 05:40 AM by kiwifoot
reply to post by ANNED



Thanks for your advice, it's great that you have a whole heap of experience in caving etc.

I was worried about the stability of the caves though, they aren't shored up or anything but have been around for a couple of hundred years ( I know a nanosecond in terms of geology) and are totaly open to the public so they must be ok I guess!?

They'd ake a good place to lay low for a while in case of public insurrection or mass rounding up of the people. ( Paranoid worst case scenario I'm sure but better to be prepared!)

Thanx



reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 06:51 AM by kiwifoot
reply to post by DaddyBare



Crap! Thanks, yeah I'd rather take my chances on the surface than have to deal with gas!

I think these caves are well ventilated though, and not too deep. Maybe I'll add some kind of detector to my survival pack.

thanks, all advice welcome.


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 11:07 AM by nixie_nox
reply to post by vox2442



This is true. The caves in this area are pretty unstable because it is shale.

I used to frequent some old mines along the C&O canal. And I noticed changes from one trip too the next. So they wouldn' be good.. lol

but they were closed because they were unstable to begin with.


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 11:08 AM by nixie_nox
reply to post by DaddyBare



or in a tough spot, a parakeet.

In the fourth grade we took a tour of a coal mine in PA. (funny some parents think this was crazy) but it was about the most secure place.

I was thinking along abandoned lines but I think a current working cave is your best bet. More stringent safety standards.

And pack lots of light, nothing like experiencing absolute darkness to fray the nerves a bit.

[edit on 4-4-2009 by nixie_nox]



reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 11:32 AM by WatchRider
Heh, that just reminded me, whatever you do, don't go in this cave if you happen to be in the Appalacian mountains...



On being cornered
If there's a squad of you the trick is to post sentinals at the cave entrance to keep watch for any enemies / threats approaching. That way the inner cave folk can be fore-warned to be ready and if necessary evac the cave


[edit on 4-4-2009 by WatchRider]


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 11:35 AM by kiwifoot
reply to post by silo13



Oh no, 20 metres! But you raise some good points. There is so much to consider. I mean as a place to lay low it would be great, but long term it would suck.

I think I'm more confused now about the suitability of it than when I first started. I guess it all hinges on the situation I'm being faced.

Foot


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 03:37 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by jfj123


Actually a polar shift is supposed to occur very soon. They happen every 24,500 years and always coincide with a stellar alignment that will happen on dec. 21, 2012. The gravitational forces that cause it have already started to take effect. In the last decade the mantle of the earth has shifted about 7 degrees already.

If it starts to shift rapidly then caves wont be safe.


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 04:07 PM by jfj123
Originally posted by Anuubis
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post by jfj123


Actually a polar shift is supposed to occur very soon. They happen every 24,500 years and always coincide with a stellar alignment that will happen on dec. 21, 2012. The gravitational forces that cause it have already started to take effect. In the last decade the mantle of the earth has shifted about 7 degrees already.

If it starts to shift rapidly then caves wont be safe.



Actually polar shifts are rare and do not coincide with any stellar alignment
Recent work by scientists and geologists Adam Maloof of Princeton University and Galen Halverson of Paul Sabatier University in Toulouse, France, indicates that Earth indeed rebalanced itself around 800 million years ago during the Precambrian time period.[8] They tested this idea by studying magnetic minerals in sedimentary rocks in a Norwegian archipelago. Using these minerals, Maloof and Halverson found that the north pole shifted more than 50 degrees — about the current distance between Alaska and the equator — in less than 20 million years. This reasoning is supported by a record of changes in sea level and ocean chemistry in the Norwegian sediments that could be explained by true polar wander, the team reports in the September–October 2006 issue of the Geological Society of America Bulletin.[9]

Research using GPS, conducted by Geoffrey Blewitt of the University of Nevada, has shown that normal seasonal changes in the distribution of ice and water cause minor movements of the poles.[10]

Much work on this subject has been done by William Hutton and can be found at The Hutton Commentaries website.[11] William Hutton and Jonathan Eagle in 2004 published Earth's Catastrophic Past and Future, which summarizes and extends their earlier work on possible mechanisms and timing of a future pole shift.[12]

en.wikipedia.org...

To recap, the last polar shift occured 800 million years ago and took approx. 20 million years to complete.

Hope the clarifies everything.

In any case, a cave or mine is NOT a safe place to be during any kind of seismic event.

[edit on 4-4-2009 by jfj123]



reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 04:34 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by jfj123


Actually it clarifies nothing. It's all speculation and theory anyways. It's all a matter of "choose what you believe". I believe that the stellar alignment has a lot to do with it.


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 04:42 PM by jfj123
Originally posted by Anuubis
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post by jfj123


Actually it clarifies nothing. It's all speculation and theory anyways. It's all a matter of "choose what you believe". I believe that the stellar alignment has a lot to do with it.


Actually if you believe in science and the scientific method and EVIDENCE, it should clarify everything.

You can check the research and you'll see what I posted is correct.

You can believe anything you like but you can't change factual information based on your beliefs.

What I posted has nothing to do with speculation but is instead supported by solid scientific principals.

If you believe the research is in error, please feel free to post your own research to redact it. When will you be posting your research?


reply posted on 4-4-2009 @ 04:50 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by jfj123


A good arguement except for the fact that you are wrong about one thing. The "fact" that it is based on is still THEORETICAL SCIENCE. All based on theory.



And our theories and beliefs don't belong in this thread. It has nothing to do with the topic.

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