Originally posted by SLAYER69

We are more than capable of taking it out. Don't let the media or anything else fool you into thinking the US Can not. We have the ability.

If we do not then that was a choice not a lack of ability.

I don't question our technical ability, I question this administration's resolve.

BHO and his cohorts are in the "blame America" mode and are apologists rather than leaders.

I believe Gates merely acknowledged what was at that time the prevailing sentiment; the U.S. will let Japan lead on this.

jw

Originally posted by munkey66

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Also of great importance, is the little known fact that North Korea manufactures the Launch Vehicles for Iran's Nuclear Weapons Program. In other words, a successful launch by North Korea will essentially represent a "Sales Pitch", and thus increase Proliferation based orders from other Nations and Organizations.

Could you please provide a source for this little known fact that North Korea manufactures the Launch Vehicles for Iran's Nuclear Weapons.

I was unaware of any nuclear weapons program in Iran, I have heard of a civillian nuclear power, but even the IAEA has said that there is no evidence of a weapons program.
in fact the only ones who are certain of this program is Israel, and of course they wouldn't have anything to gain from false accusations now would they?

The United States is certain of the program, as are the French, and many others, the only differing aspect is on the timeline. The Israeli's believe that Iran either has Nuclear Weapons as of now, or they will within the next few months. The United States' official position is that the Iranians will most likely have a "Bomb" within a Year or Two. Others believe that it will be much longer before Iran has the capability to assemble Nuclear warheads. The one aspect that nearly every Intel agency agrees on however, is that it is all a matter of WHEN, NOT IF.

Pakistani Engineers are the ones who assisted the Iranians in constructing/assembling the Centrifuges necessary for enrichment, the Russians provided the fissile material, and the North Koreans are providing the launch vehicles.

North Korea has put itself in a situation similar to places lie Haiti and some African states, notably Zimbabwe. Decades of vastly counterproductive leadership have brought these places to their knees economically. Dissent is crushed, while there is widespread starvation, government sanctioned mass murder, and rampant disease, not to even mention the lack of human rights.

The rest of the relatively civilized world is forced to watch on the sidelines as the regime heads become more intractable and unresponsive to reason or outside help. Caught up in their personal vanities and delusions and increasingly out of touch with the realities of the global community they have to inteface with.

In cold hard terms the world just wait and hopes the current leaders will die soon, their regimes disintegrate, or that things will become so terrible a spontaneous overthrow will occur with a more realistic governance forming in the wake.

The frustrated leaders like Kim and Mugabe know that their aberrant self-destructive policies get them media attention and offers of needed goods in exchange for compliance. This they enjoy and have become conditioned to expect every time they even mention a new outrageous act.

Despite the historical overviews of countries like the US benefiting by default after WWII, few seek to provoke large scale wars these days. The costs and risks with so many hidden variables can be devastating even if you win.

North Korea is a basket case nation. Kim's irrational behaviour is the wild card. No one can predict what his priorities are and how he will play his hand. There is genuine fear he will do something regrettable.


Mike





[edit on 4-4-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael

In a nutshell North Korea is a basket case nation. Kim's irrational behaviour is the wild card. No one can predict how he will play his hand, and there is real fear he'll do something regrettable.


Mike

Nicely put mike.

Everybody tends to get down on the US and her allies over this flap meantime they all seem to forget who is causing the issue.

Kinda grinds my gears this. I feel that if Kim Jong Il is worth going to war with , because hes threatening the world, then surely he was worth going to war with to free the population of North Korea from his grip? Its the same as what made me angry about the Saddam Hussien thing . Yeah he needed to die, and publicly . It should be known to all in this world that you cant just destroy people for decades , in your own nation, and get away with it. But what I do not understand is why it took SO long for them to get the job done. I mean all it would have taken would have been a few sniper rounds taking himself and all his doubles out and then all would have been cushty save for a little pacification. If they had done a proper job like that in Gulf war one , then Gulf war two would not have happened. Similarly , if they had black opsed Kim Jong Il when they should have ages ago, then again , none of this bull would be happening. Learn to finish a job already !! Clue to the armed forces... f- the orders, if its evil destroy it.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
Kinda grinds my gears this. I feel that if Kim Jong Il is worth going to war with , because hes threatening the world, then surely he was worth going to war with to free the population of North Korea from his grip? Its the same as what made me angry about the Saddam Hussien thing . Yeah he needed to die, and publicly . It should be known to all in this world that you cant just destroy people for decades , in your own nation, and get away with it. But what I do not understand is why it took SO long for them to get the job done. I mean all it would have taken would have been a few sniper rounds taking himself and all his doubles out and then all would have been cushty save for a little pacification. If they had done a proper job like that in Gulf war one , then Gulf war two would not have happened. Similarly , if they had black opsed Kim Jong Il when they should have ages ago, then again , none of this bull would be happening. Learn to finish a job already !! Clue to the armed forces... f- the orders, if its evil destroy it.

Wow, tough talk

After North Korea , Lets say we attack China, they have a human rights

record to rival NK

BUT, China will fight back, so we know THAT wont happen, so the US plays

school yard bully and picks only on small kids

The missile will only be shoot by Japan if:

(3) Scope of objects targeted for destruction

A ballistic missile, etc. that is judged to be launched by North Korea which is confirmed by Japan’s Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) system to fall on Japan’s territory.

About the US... it's probably the same, except if they want to deny North Korea any info for their missile program.

War is the last thing I would like to see happen in the world right now. It would mean unnecessary death and suffering for so many innocent people.

BUT ... if it's going to happen, I'd just love to see Iran and it's proxy regimes in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza teamed up with North Korea along with backup supplied by Venezuela and Cuba - put their money where their mouth is.

Take on the Zionist entity and the Great Satan.

China and Russia would call in sick that day.

It would be over in days, then everybody could get back to business.


Everyone knows it. Ergo lots of rhetoric and sabre-rattling from some very insecure players.

People who want a war don't talk about it and give weekly reports on their weaponry.


Mike