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Murder or an act of War/Revolution ?

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posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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Bare with me here I am not a writer by any means, I have a hard time putting my thoughts down in

words, so go easy on me folks....and I can't spell very well.

Ok, so my question is when murder not murder but an act of war?
1. murder is allways murder....that is a fact.

There is alot of talk about revolution and getting the US back to pre 1860's and removing the Federal virus.Well there has been more than talk. We have been voting like we are supposed too, yet corruption abounds . The whole (most of the people) country (US) were against the
bailouts...but they just crammed them down our throats anyways.

We pay our taxes, they do only when the media finds out.
We drive without car insurance they take you to jail , they shoot someone in the face on a hunting trip , nothing happens...they get caught driving drunk, nothing happens there first few times, if at all.And so on and so on, we all know to many examples of different treatment of politicians and
they rich and famous....The criminals are in control.

So when one decides to act is he a terroist or a hero ? Was Tim McVay fighting for our rights ?
Actually I think he was the scape goat wasent he ? I haven't done any research on the Oklahoma City
bombing, but with everyting else that has happened , I think I need to go back and take a look.That was a bad day mainly because children died.

Anywho, according to some folks in the southern United States , the war never ended.In the removel of these thugs there is gonna be some death. Evil abounds if good men do nothing.
It dosent matter how many of us hold hands when we march on the White House , or that cesspool Area 51 and the likes.... they are not just gonna let us into remove the scum without a fight. I really don't see another way.
Any attack on any state/federal building and or person would be an act of terriorsm, in the goverments eyes. If you wait for them to attack you/detain in FEMA camp/take away your consitution then its too late... you can you see my dilemma now ....?
Do you call the goverment up and say "Hey Im gonna attack you" so that your in a legal right ? Or do you wave a Ron Paul flag as
you attack. The "PTB" have made it clear that 3rd party is a threat to there aggenda.
So to finish here, Im not looking for justification to shoot someone. I am not going out to kill. I was
wondering when it becomes a Revolution and not an act of murder and criminal damage ( broken bank windows, burnt down building).

ps.Dear Mod, hope I didn't break any rules, there are so many. please edit for me , thanks




posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 08:48 PM
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Tim McVeigh took out innocents. Men.

Women.

Children.

There is no justification whatsoever for that. None.

That's just mass murder.

You don't take out innocents if your grudge is with the BATF.

No excuse. And it can never be defended.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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Assuming McVeigh wasn't a patsy....

2nd line and all.



[edit on 2-4-2009 by BREWSE]



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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reply to post by dooper
 


I agree 100% ....but there was a reason the building was hit. Like I said , I need to go back and look at that. I started researching on line after 9/11 , into UFO's NWO and the likes, took about 7 years before I stumbled onto ATS. now I cant live without it.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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I dont remember history proclaiming the militant revolutionaries as murderous thugs. Perhaps the Brits called them something along those lines when it all began, but that didnt last long.

V for Vendetta. The destruction of private and public property, taking by force of privately owned business, holding hostage the employees of said business, calling out and attack on the heads of government.
Do you call that terrorism? Do you call that liberation? Is it heroic or demonic? Is it sane bravery or suicidal psychopathic behaviour?

The answers are clear. Only history will decide. In the present and looking to the future, it will be determined to be the most vile. However, if the outcome is favorable and the event is infamous, then history will maintain its defining moment in glory.

Standing up now only pays off in the long term. If you choose to stand up against the villains that seat themselves in power, you should also be willing to pay the ultimate price and see your life ruined or taken from you in near term.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by wheresthetruth
I dont remember history proclaiming the militant revolutionaries as murderous thugs. Perhaps the Brits called them something along those lines when it all began, but that didnt last long.

V for Vendetta. The destruction of private and public property, taking by force of privately owned business, holding hostage the employees of said business, calling out and attack on the heads of government.
Do you call that terrorism? Do you call that liberation? Is it heroic or demonic? Is it sane bravery or suicidal psychopathic behaviour?

The answers are clear. Only history will decide. In the present and looking to the future, it will be determined to be the most vile. However, if the outcome is favorable and the event is infamous, then history will maintain its defining moment in glory.

Standing up now only pays off in the long term. If you choose to stand up against the villains that seat themselves in power, you should also be willing to pay the ultimate price and see your life ruined or taken from you in near term.


How about we begin by first electing individuals who actually represent us for once? I still fail to understand the votes that so many Americans cast on a regular basis. Look at Rep. John Murtha from Pennsylvania for instance, where he basically called his constituents every name in the book, flagrantly insulting them, and YET, they put him RIGHT back into office. How stupid can people get?



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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The only way they could get away with a revolution would be to do in all over. If 1 or 20 people just start taking out banks or political puppets then I think they would be "labeled" murderers. If they all stood up and said enough is enough and 25% of the people in all 50/51 states then they could revolt. I don't see it happening.
I have seen on here a million times in the past month, "Enough is enough"
"time to stand up".
I do believe it is time for us to do something, but anyone who stands up to lead a revolt will be a terrorist and be locked away.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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Violence against inocent people is not an act of revolution PERIOD. Under no circumstances should inocent people be put in harms way to prove a point or further a cause. That would be defined as terrorism not patriotism.



posted on Apr, 2 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Grayelf2009

So when one decides to act is he a terroist or a hero ? Was Tim McVay fighting for our rights ?
Actually I think he was the scape goat wasent he ? I haven't done any research on the Oklahoma City
bombing, but with everyting else that has happened , I think I need to go back and take a look.




It's been awhile since I looked over the Oklahoma City bombing. Without going into lengthy research again, I'll just say that I believe the US govt was behind it.

McVeigh supposedly wrote his sister that he had joined a special ops branch of uncle sugars forces. He was also filmed in army uniform, on an army base, working on an APC, supposedly after he had been discharged.

"Local" media coverage from Ok City supposedly said that multiple devices were found and several of them did not go off. There are scores of other anomalies to this event.

This bombing reeks to high heaven, just like the 1993 WTC bombing.





[edit on 2-4-2009 by rko_radio]



posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 07:06 PM
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Well I have to say I agree with all the post so far . and you all have done a great job at answering my question.

"wheresthetruth

posted on 4/2/2009 at 09:47 PM
I dont remember history proclaiming the militant revolutionaries as murderous thugs. Perhaps the Brits called them something along those lines when it all began, but that didnt last long.

V for Vendetta. The destruction of private and public property, taking by force of privately owned business, holding hostage the employees of said business, calling out and attack on the heads of government.
Do you call that terrorism? Do you call that liberation? Is it heroic or demonic? Is it sane bravery or suicidal psychopathic behaviour?

The answers are clear. Only history will decide. In the present and looking to the future, it will be determined to be the most vile. However, if the outcome is favorable and the event is infamous, then history will maintain its defining moment in glory.

Standing up now only pays off in the long term. If you choose to stand up against the villains that seat themselves in power, you should also be willing to pay the ultimate price and see your life ruined or taken from you in near term."






posted on Apr, 3 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
Violence against inocent people is not an act of revolution PERIOD. Under no circumstances should inocent people be put in harms way to prove a point or further a cause. That would be defined as terrorism not patriotism.



I agree. And why is the children who died in the attack the only deaths that are sad? Try telling that to someone who lost a grown loved one in the bombings.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by rko_radio

Originally posted by Grayelf2009

So when one decides to act is he a terroist or a hero ? Was Tim McVay fighting for our rights ?
Actually I think he was the scape goat wasent he ? I haven't done any research on the Oklahoma City
bombing, but with everyting else that has happened , I think I need to go back and take a look.




It's been awhile since I looked over the Oklahoma City bombing. Without going into lengthy research again, I'll just say that I believe the US govt was behind it.

McVeigh supposedly wrote his sister that he had joined a special ops branch of uncle sugars forces. He was also filmed in army uniform, on an army base, working on an APC, supposedly after he had been discharged.

"Local" media coverage from Ok City supposedly said that multiple devices were found and several of them did not go off. There are scores of other anomalies to this event.

This bombing reeks to high heaven, just like the 1993 WTC bombing.





[edit on 2-4-2009 by rko_radio]


I actually have some of the original local news coverage for the Oklahoma CIty bombing; their original suspects were three Arabic men driving a white pickup north on I-35. They picked up one white male driving a yellow Mercury Marquis.

Ahem?



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by LOBO

Originally posted by rko_radio

Originally posted by Grayelf2009

So when one decides to act is he a terroist or a hero ? Was Tim McVay fighting for our rights ?
Actually I think he was the scape goat wasent he ? I haven't done any research on the Oklahoma City
bombing, but with everyting else that has happened , I think I need to go back and take a look.




It's been awhile since I looked over the Oklahoma City bombing. Without going into lengthy research again, I'll just say that I believe the US govt was behind it.

McVeigh supposedly wrote his sister that he had joined a special ops branch of uncle sugars forces. He was also filmed in army uniform, on an army base, working on an APC, supposedly after he had been discharged.

"Local" media coverage from Ok City supposedly said that multiple devices were found and several of them did not go off. There are scores of other anomalies to this event.

This bombing reeks to high heaven, just like the 1993 WTC bombing.





[edit on 2-4-2009 by rko_radio]


I actually have some of the original local news coverage for the Oklahoma CIty bombing; their original suspects were three Arabic men driving a white pickup north on I-35. They picked up one white male driving a yellow Mercury Marquis.

Ahem?


Mind uploading this so-called footage? Can you explain how workers at the truck rental agency were able to describe to a sketch artist an identical image of McVeigh? I understand there's something fishy about bombing, and possible FBI involvement according to Terry Nichols... but he's not a very credible witness, to say the least:



In 2007, Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols claimed that a high-ranking FBI director, Larry Potts, directed Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah on February 9, 2007. Nichols also claimed that the government was protecting the official and other conspirators "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility" for the attacks.

en.wikipedia.org...

If anything, I presume other anti-government nuts like McVeigh actually worked for the FBI at the time this happened. A crazy white-supremacist managing to obtain a federal position is not out of the realm of possibilities considering this occurred in the South...

[edit on 5-4-2009 by Blagojevich]



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