Something that is worth mentioning, and Americans should realize is that every Socialist program implemented in the United States was done by Democrats.

Republicans have made mistakes too, and implemented other UnConstitutional laws, but this happened because slowly, and through the Democratic Party, Socialist/Communist programs were implemented in the Republic.

It was Democrat Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, which gave total control of the economy to bankers, and which indebted the nation and the people into slavery.

It was Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt who banned, and outlawed all American citizens from possessing of gold, trapping us further into a monetary system based on empty promises, which the bankers and TPTB knew sooner or later would go bankrupt, helping to destroy Capitalism, and the Republic.

It was Democrat Bill Clinton who signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, takig away the only safeguard that would have prevented another Great Depression, and which allowed banks to lend money to people who could not pay back, to further destroy Capitalism, and the Republic.

Now, it is President Obama who is implementing the law in which the "Corporation/State" is in total control of all learn-based programs, volunteer programs, and mandatory programs, and which is making all children starting from primary school, all the way to college to have to serve for the good fo the Community, without pay, which is the same system which National Socialist Germany had, and Communist regimes has...

The Republic is being destroyed, and substituted by a for of Communism, in which the "Corporation/state" is in power in the name of the people, and TPTB want to implement this system globally, yet there are others PTB that have their own versions of the "Permanent Revolution" and want to implement their version....

At the end we are left with the choice of choosing Communism with the "Corporation/State" being in power, or Communism with the "State" being in power....

That, or we fight in all legal ways possible to keep the Republic as agreed by the forefathers of this nation...





[edit on 3-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

"WHO decides the rules in this wonderful communist state?"

Nobody because it is stateless.

No government, president, congress etc etc

Get it?

Ok let me draw a ascii picture for you. Throughout history we have have been through several stages.

1. Primitive Communism: as seen in cooperative tribal societies.

2. Slave Society: which develops when the tribe becomes a city-state. Aristocracy is born.

3. Feudalism: aristocracy is the ruling class. Merchants develop into capitalists.

4. Capitalism: capitalists are the ruling class, who create and employ the true working class.

5. Socialism: workers gain class consciousness, overthrow the capitalists and take control over the state. <- Most Western Nations are at this stage e.g labour unionism and expansion of welfare state. In this stage we have Government, Military, Police and Banking

6. Communism: a classless and stateless society. <- This is the believed to be the next stage, All forms of government have been abolished, The military and police no longer exist to enforce anything and banking is obsolete as money is no longer used.





[edit on 3-4-2009 by kkklownknight6699]

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words

Chinese Communist police beating Tibetans

Chinese Communist police beating Tibetans engaged in a non-violent protest and passive resistance. FACT SHEET: Tibetan Deaths Under China's Crackdown since March 2008 Friday, 20 March 2009

I've seen worse from the USA. Three big burly cops beat up a 67 year old 160 lb black man on the streets of New Orleans for nothing. I have seen news footage of worse scenes from Canada and the USA....cops beating up citizens.


[edit on 3/4/09 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by WatchRider


WHO decides the rules in this wonderful communist state?

Governing councils can be democratically elected, as they are now. The major difference is economic, not political. In a legitimate communist society, the people own the means of production instead of corporations.

WHO decides what the rules are? In communism it won't be you, the individual that's for sure.

Why not? In capitalist societies, it is the wealthy elite that make the rules, in order to protect capital. In a legitimate communist society, the rules are made by the people according to their needs.

The major problem with communism is that the philosophy has been usurped by tyrants. Of course, anti-communists tend to ignore the tyrants who have promoted capitalism.

What we have in the Western World is not free-market Capitalism - it's a state-controlled, twisted, corrupt version. There are laws and regulations that are put into effect by those in power, and they're put into power with a lot of help from the wealthy. So yes, I agree with you that this system is a joke - but that does not mean that the solution is to abolish the free market. Abolish government (or most of it, anyway), and introduce a truly free market, and you will see your complaints disappear.

In any case, Communism isn't a practical system. I can guarantee you that people will not work for the simple pleasure of work, and that they will be dissatisfied with their lot, especially if their work is demanding. We're a selfish lot, humans, and that seems to be largely embedded in our genes. Not much you can do to fix that, I'm afraid.

Ok so lets for the sake of argumenet say we are all gung ho for this true communism you speak of. Who do you trust to be in charge of this one world government that ultimately controls all resources on the face of the earth?

[edit on 3-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Communism is no different a pipe dream than capitalism is. The biggest problem with communism, is that you already give up what little you already have, and give it to some power hungry megalomaniac. Whether it's communism or capitalism, as long as there is corruption, people will find ways of exploiting it. Communism will put us in an even worse position. Just look at China and how they treat their workers, or Cuba.

che gueverra... tried to implement this in south america... he ended up getting killed with the help of the cia.. here is a wiki on him

Ernesto "Che" Guevara (June 14,[1] 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as Che Guevara, El Che, or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, politician, author, physician, military theorist, and guerrilla leader. After death, his stylized image became a ubiquitous countercultural symbol worldwide. As a young medical student, Guevara traveled throughout Latin America and was transformed by the endemic poverty he witnessed. His experiences and observations during these trips led him to conclude that the region's ingrained economic inequalities were an intrinsic result of monopoly capitalism, neocolonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution. This belief prompted his involvement in Guatemala's social reforms under President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, whose eventual CIA-assisted overthrow solidified Guevara's radical ideology. Later, in Mexico, he met Fidel Castro and joined his 26th of July Movement. In December 1956, he was among the revolutionaries who invaded Cuba under Castro's leadership with the intention of overthrowing U.S.-backed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. Guevara soon rose to prominence among the insurgents, was promoted to Comandante, and played a pivotal role in the successful two year guerrilla campaign that deposed Batista.[4] Following the Cuban revolution, Guevara reviewed the appeals of those convicted as war criminals during the revolutionary tribunals, ratifying sentences which in some cases (the number of death sentences is disputed) involved execution by firing squads.[5] Later he served as minister of industry and president of the national bank, before traversing the globe as a diplomat to meet an array of world leaders on behalf of Cuban socialism. He was a prolific writer and diarist, composing a seminal manual on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare, along with an acclaimed memoir about his motorcycle journey across South America. Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to incite revolutions first in an unsuccessful attempt in Congo-Kinshasa and later in Bolivia, where he was captured with the help of the CIA and executed. Both notorious as a ruthless disciplinarian who unhesitatingly shot defectors and revered by supporters for his rigid dedication to professed doctrines, Guevara remains a controversial and significant historical figure. As a result of his perceived martyrdom, poetic invocations for class struggle, and desire to create the consciousness of a "new man" driven by "moral" rather than "material" incentives,[6] Guevara evolved into a quintessential icon of leftist-inspired movements. Paradoxically and in contradiction with his ideology, Che's visage was also reconstituted as a global marketing emblem and insignia within popular culture. He has been mostly venerated and occasionally reviled in a multitude of biographies, memoirs, books, essays, documentaries, songs, and films. Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century,[7] while an Alberto Korda photograph of him entitled Guerrillero Heroico (shown), was declared "the most famous photograph in the world."[8]