Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

BEFORE THERE IS BLOODSHED PREFERABLY

[edit on 7-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

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If this is so, then why exactly has war gotten less and less bloody? why do machines continue to be put into war more and more? if the elites wanted most to die, then why would they make causalities in war less and less?


Also, the fact is that no one would really build these free energy machines. Right now every single American could go out and build themselves their own solar power and wind power sources of energy, by why won't they? Because why would they? In the same sense, free energy machines would not be built by everyone because most don;t care and are too lazy to be concerned, hence why business exists. If people wanted to do it, they could. But they won't, because they know a business can do it for them, and they can do less work.

Also, what you described as a planetary defense is essentially a prison planet.

Andy why do you assume that you would have superior technology? And why do you assume it would work? Terrorists still are able to kil Americans with old ww2 rifles. Technology counts for alot, but it can;t count for all. And if it does, you have a controlled society with no freedom.

What if the aggressors had superior technology?

Your being very presumptuous and immature. No nation stays on the top for ever. And when your nation did fall, it would be worse because there would be no organized force to rebuilt. It would just melt away into bickering nation-states.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by consciencious observer

 

If this is so, then why exactly has war gotten less and less bloody? why do machines continue to be put into war more and more? if the elites wanted most to die, then why would they make causalities in war less and less?


Also, the fact is that no one would really build these free energy machines. Right now every single American could go out and build themselves their own solar power and wind power sources of energy, by why won't they? Because why would they? In the same sense, free energy machines would not be built by everyone because most don;t care and are too lazy to be concerned, hence why business exists. If people wanted to do it, they could. But they won't, because they know a business can do it for them, and they can do less work.

Also, what you described as a planetary defense is essentially a prison planet.

Andy why do you assume that you would have superior technology? And why do you assume it would work? Terrorists still are able to kil Americans with old ww2 rifles. Technology counts for alot, but it can;t count for all. And if it does, you have a controlled society with no freedom.

What if the aggressors had superior technology?

Your being very presumptuous and immature. No nation stays on the top for ever. And when your nation did fall, it would be worse because there would be no organized force to rebuilt. It would just melt away into bickering nation-states.

[edit on 7-4-2009 by Gorman91]

ok just because america has less troops killed every day does not mean there are less casualties how many innocent civilians are being killed over there every damn day and all we have to say is o well they deserve it ... right is that not how the narrow minded/childish/you/and all people of the like think.. the civilians themselves are just like us they want no more to do with this war than those in america but it is the "narrow minded" extremists that we are fighting not the innocent and honestly america has no reason to be in iraq other than to secure oil supplies which is itself very evident do you not agree and also america needs every willing bag of bones that will fight sry kill in the name of america no matter whateven if it is those that they are sworn to protect


once again you are assuming. as i have already said in this thread just because there will be no money doesnt mean there will be no commercialism . part of this evolution of communism is that the economic infrastructure that we already have will be used just no money instead a barter system its as simple as this as i have once again said throughout this thread
i have said as long as you stay in school and receive good grades you will be able to pick from a catalog anything that you might want as long as it is within your means and once you are of age to work(16) or younger if they really want to but certain limitations will be in place as is now. anyways once they start working and going to school they will be able to choose a vehicle and ya know party passes or watev for entertainment and once you graduate high school ( which is specialized to fit the career path that you choose) you either have the choice of getting into your career path right away which will allow you to obtain a house and start on a family or you can continue your education in specialized universities and continue to live with the rents or live on campus once graduated from there you get into your career path get a house, start a family and never have to worry about job security or if you will be able to cover all the taxes and loans that you are forced to pay with the current system and the items in the catalog are from the brand name companies that we already have if not new ones because creativity is encouraged in true communism

you misunderstood planetary defense system it is not police/soldiers on every corner but satellites linked to anti missile systems controlled by the people watching for any kind of devastating attack from those that wish to deny any real logic or truths( i.e. those sick million that people always talk about which who is to say they would exist in a true communistic society)

i assume only that we as a whole would use these free and clean technologies to only better advance society and i assume it works because it has been proven that all these wonderful techs work terrorists maybe killing us with those guns but but but we gave them thhe guns in the first place, secondly if the troops were never over there they could never be shot . in a true communistic society there is no superior tech because all tech is available to all and it will be regulated as such




[edit on 7-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

[edit on 7-4-2009 by consciencious observer]

Regulated, there's the key. Regulated by the people? The people have religion and culture. What if they don't want something that is good?

Also, Why on Earth would the elites be concerned with people out of the country? You were talking about citizens, now you are talking about the global community.

Also, there are some cultures who simply would reject you. Some people want to be left alone to their own ways and life styles. By building a global world and forcing your economic, political, and technological systems you invalidate their freedoms. What are you to do when billions refuse to go under your system and take any action you take to try to change the next generation as an offense and invasion? You cannot have the planet under your system, as most of the planet would reject you.

Also, your planetary system of defense is useless. Just soot out some EM pulses and all the satellites turn off. Or just shoot the satellites with lasers.

Also, what if people start using one particular thing in barter? That's why currency came about in the first place. Why on Earth would people back pedal to before currency if it will just go back to currency on its own naturally? Currency comes out of a barter system by simple natural ways. When one particular thing becomes dominate, it rules all else out.

Also, your equal technology is useless because if a group of people leave the planet and develop superior technology to take over Earth, it doesn't matter. Your system is separate form their system. If they develop superior technology, you are simply unable to get it, and lose.


One way or another, your nation simply cannot exist the way you want. If you want everyone to have equal technology, someone somewhere is bound to innovate it and make it superior, and keep if for themselves, of this world or elsewhere. if you want a barter system, people will simple selectively chose the best item to barter with, and abandon everything else, except for a few exceptions (such as equally valuable items). If you want everyone to be educated, some will reject what you call education as bad and learn their own cultural and religious beliefs, ignoring what you say. If you want to protect the planet with a defense system, it will be brought down, weather from hacking, laser, EMP, or else.

One way or another, your nation is doomed just as much as any one. No nation lasts for ever. The only thing is that when yours comes to its inevitable doom, it will be horrific and destructive, as the masses will chose certain people they like to lead them as dictators. With no democratic cares or traditions, just the will of the people, dictators will inevitable contradict each other and hate each other. genocide will prevail as a method of silencing the diversifying opinions of your post-united Earth that falls.

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please excuse me if you can but it is very late and i have to be to work in a few hours so please understand i will respond tomorrow wen i have the time and energy to do so goodnight to you my friend

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Originally posted by Deimos760

".... Capitalism isn't working at all, its an illusion. Become mindful and knowledgeable before acting as if you know anything. I am not an advocate for communism, but in its true form it will sort out many of the problems we have today and limit the power of the elite."

REPLY: Please change the above to read: "I should become mindful and knowledgeable before acting as if I know anything.

".... In Capitalism, you become rich by taking advantage of others. Not that often by being highly motivated and innovative.

REPLY: We live in both a representative Constitutional Republic, and a Meritocracy, which means you make achievements (get rich) in your life by your merits... how educated are you are, how hard you work, and what you do to provide for and/or please your fellow man.

".... Human Nature, I heard someone say it was Human Nature that caused us to be like we are... I'd love someone to find some proof on that statement...."

REPLY: As has been said, it's very difficult to prove a negative.

".... our minds are completely controlled and forced to be within a tiny sphere of perception.

REPLY: Again, please change the above to read: ".. my mind has been completely controlled and forced to be within a tiny sphere of perception."
(you must be a recent graduate of a public school or college).


".... That's conditioning and propaganda, not human nature."

REPLY: Propaganda can be either truth of fiction.

".... We have something over animals, that is freedom of the mind...."

REPLY: Quite true, and more.

".... 97% of people do not use it at all, they don't even know there not using it due to the perception they are restricted too. Mindlessness has been conditioned and most people don't even know."

REPLY: Quite incorrect. Everyone with a "normal" mind remembers most everything we see, hear, feel, touch, taste, etc. However, the ability to "recall" those things are related to electrochemical functions of the brain; things that can neither be taught or untaught. We have literally no control over most of it. We cannot choose what goes into short, medium and/or long term memory. It's a chemical switch we have no control over.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by zappafan1]

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That is right. Nobody wants a group of people to tell them how to live their lives, because not everyone agrees on what is most important. Nor should they. There is a lot to be said about people choosing different ways to live. We all learn from the success and failures of the people around us.

If we are forced to all live one way.. to the regulated, voted on norm.. that would be such a pathetic existence.

We already have too much government interference in our lives. The last thing we need is more, or to have a council of our neighbors deciding what is right and wrong for us. This whole "sexting" thing is a perfect example. If a bunch of kids or adults want to send naked pictures of themselves to their friends what does it possibly matter. It doesnt hurt anyone, except maybe the person that sent there own picture out, but it was their choice and now they reap the consequences. I am not saying there cant be some reasonable limits based on common sense. Like if a 40 yr old man sends a naked pic of himself to a 16 yr old girl they need to get some punishment. But when a bunch of peers do it there is really nothing wrong with it.

My last point is, I cant even agree with my girlfriend about what is the best way for me to live my life, let alone a whole darn community.




[edit on 8-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by consciencious observer

".... ok just because america has less troops killed every day does not mean there are less casualties."

REPLY: The peace-niks (those who hate supremacy of any nation, (especially America), bitched about the amount of casualties in the old days (and even today). So we use technology and money to build weapons that will cause less collateral damage, and people still bitch. Ever wonder why?

".... how many innocent civilians are being killed over there every damn day..."

REPLY: So, now they have the freedom to decide as to how they want to be governed, and by whom. And that's a bad thing.... why?

".... and honestly america has no reason to be in iraq other than to secure oil supplies which is itself very evident ...."

REPLY: We were buying oil from Iraq at market prices BEFORE the Iraqi liberation, and we are doing the same thing now. You have no clue as to how the oil market works at all.

".... because creativity is encouraged in true communism..."

REPLY: Geez........ can you be more wrong about that? NO!!!

".... in a true communistic society there is no superior tech because all tech is available to all and it will be regulated as such...."

REPLY: Damn, you really need to do some history research.

Edited to add: Read my Signature; it'll enlighten you.


[edit on 8-4-2009 by zappafan1]

Originally posted by zappafan1
REPLY: The peace-niks (those who hate supremacy of any nation, (especially America), bitched about the amount of casualties in the old days (and even today). So we use technology and money to build weapons that will cause less collateral damage, and people still bitch. Ever wonder why?

Great point. I cant imagine any other time in the history of the world that a countries own citizens whine because they live in a superior nation.

Its like somehow they think you can have a war and no one is going to get hurt. I guess we should have just had a pillow fight with Sadaam and his army or Bin Laden and his "brothers". The "peaceniks" never stop to consider how many people the other side is killing or going to kill in the future. Like somehow if we left Sadaam or Bin Laden alone they will stop killing their own people or our people.

The only thing I can attribute this to is that some people live in a fantasy world where there are no enemies or differences of opinion.

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Your own signature defines the very error of the capitalist system - the uneven distribution of wealth - therefore proving that some must suffer for the privilege of others and the benefits of capitalism do not accrue to those who hard in the global scheme of things - rather it accrues to those who have the greatest advantage when playing the game.

If the whole world was playing of an equal pitch where all had the same level of education and basic needs such as food, water and a home then at least a capitalist system would allow the true hard workers to reach the heights that such a system would allow.

Unfortunately if you are trapped in a third world capitalist country of which there are many then all your hard work isn't going to achieve much.

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Please give me an example of a policitcally free third world country that has a capitalistic economic system.

The point is that due to a lack of freedom and capitalism these countries stayed or became "Third World" in the first place. If all countries were free and capitalistic "Third World" countries wouldnt exist. They only get this way because their leaders hoard the countries wealth and limit the ability of the populace to succeed.

[edit on 8-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

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South Africa, the Philipines, Ghana etc

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By the way I forgot to add - I meant to do this before - but if you advocate that decent governments running a fair capitalist system will secure success look at what happened to Iceland last year - in the space of 8 months they went from having the highest living standards in the world to being bankrupt due to the recent global crisis - absolutely nothing to do with lack of work - capitalism destroyed that country.

Ask the people there if they think hard work, fair governments and the capitalist system are the way to success!

If you don't know what happened to Iceland - have a look on google.

Its the best proof I have that capitalism will always fail unless you are a large country with an independent market contained within its own borders with access to all necessary resources.

For these reasons the US became the success story it was for so long - a large internal market with abundant resources.

I respect the US and have many cousins over there - my grandfather was a US citizen and two of my uncles fought in Vietnam - but it was the country's natural wealth combined withs it indigenous market and its ability to attract the best and brightest immigrants from all over the world that was its success for so long and not necessarily the constitution which I hear so often on here. The constitution was a good document and I'm taking nothing away from that but many countries have equally as good governing documents

For the reasons described above - many smaller countries will never succeed under capitalism as they don't have either the natural resources or the internal markets to be able to be self sustaining.

For this reason they depend on the external markets where the larger powers such as China, the US, Russia etc can dictate the price of commodities to their own gain at the expense of the other countries.

its a simple economic fact of capitalism and as such it is globally an unfair system.

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As far as Iceland goes they just made some really bad decisions and investments. Any system can go wrong if you make foolish choices. One they grew their economy way too fast with BORROWED money. It goes much deeper than that, but you should look into it. Borrowing is bad. Capitalism is good. They are too different things. But if you borrow too much money based on future projections and then things change you are screwed. If you reinvest money or get investors so you dont owe any money back you are more able to withstand negative change. You know the old saying "Neither a borrower or a lender be".

South Africa is doing ok. A South African company just bought Miller Brewing in the USA for example. This is kind of a bad choice because they just dissolved the whole slave thing a while back. Which is good. No one should be a slave.

To be honest I dont know much about the Phillipines or Ghana. So i will need to research that a bit.

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Well Iceland was a capitalist society and my point really on that was that the few (the wealthy) in that country made capitalist decisions that ended up bankrupting the whole country.

Plus what are your thoughts on the failure of capitalism in smaller countries due to larger countries dominance of international markets thereby skewing the prices to their advantage thus negating the level playing field and thereby removing the work hard will yield results element of capitalism from those smaller countries.

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I suppose you are right that as long as there is more than one group of unanimous people, then one group is always going to be trying to find new ways to take advantage of the others. So I guess to solve that you have to have one World government. But if you cant get a bunch of smaller governments not to screw each other over, how are you going to get one giant government not to screw over everyone EVENTUALLY.

well one worlder - I wonder how long your gonna like living under communism, see this one world movement is based on Communism...
communist manifesto is basically its charter ... no rights to people like us ... none....

Originally posted by count66
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

Plus what are your thoughts on the failure of capitalism in smaller countries due to larger countries dominance of international markets thereby skewing the prices to their advantage thus negating the level playing field and thereby removing the work hard will yield results element of capitalism from those smaller countries.

Well my answer to that is there are a lot more ways to make money than just the markets. There is always someone trying to manipulate some part of the market to their advantage. Its that darn human nature at work again.

There are ways to make money in food production, manufacturing, real estate, etc.. Each country (big or small) has to identify what it can offer to the rest of the world that is of value to the world. It might be grow something unique to your climate, or find something to manufacture more cheaply and efficiently than the rest of the world.

But the other thing to know is there are going to be winners and loosers.

There are always going to be winners and loosers in any system. Like in your system we give up our freedoms,national identity, racial identity, and the chance to gather more resources than someone else to have security and fairness and oneness. Because I value those things, in your system I would be a looser while someone else who desired that kind of life would be a winner.

I would rather be a looser in a system where I have a chance to win big, then a winner in a system where I can just get just a little bit more through conformity.

I dont value security and oneness. I value freedom, personal identity, and the satisfaction that comes from being rewarded by good choices and punished by the bad choices.

Originally posted by count66
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

Plus what are your thoughts on the failure of capitalism in smaller countries due to larger countries dominance of international markets thereby skewing the prices to their advantage thus negating the level playing field and thereby removing the work hard will yield results element of capitalism from those smaller countries.

If a person, company, or country wants to suceed they have to quit blaming everyone else for their failures. We can always see the playing field as being stacked against us, or we can see those things in our way as challenges to be overcome. Sometimes the best stuff in life is the stuff you get overcoming the obstacles that are put in your way.

Look at Japan, there is no way they should have become the king of cars. They have no natural resources, they were bombed to hell and back, all their factories were destroyed, the lost tons of men in the war. They could have just sat back and said we got licked lets just lay here and die, but they didnt. They started to manufacture things. At first those things kind of sucked. They kept mastering their techniques and improving quality. Eventually, throught tons of failure and hardwork, they succeeded. Now, they make great cars, electronics etc... Not only do they make great stuff, but they can still be competitive even though they have to import all the raw materials and ship thier products to the rest of the world.