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Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

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posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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OK INSTEAD OF A LEADER WHY NOT A FOUNDER AND A SET OF RULES AGREED UPON BY THE PEOPLE THAT CAN NEVER BE CHANGED ACCEPT BY UNANIMOUS VOTE BY THE PEOPLE WITH CONNECTIVITY CAPABILITIES OF TODAY AND TOMORROW THERE IS NO REASON WHY THAT CANT HAPPEN. WE KEEP THE ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE EXCLUDING MONEY OF COURSE BUT GOING TO A GLOBAL BARTER/ SHARING SYSTEM AND I HAVE PLENTY MORE TO SAY BUT I MUST BE OFF TO WORK SO I WILL INSTEAD REPOST OF FEW OF MY THOUGHTS.

you can't give anybody EVERYTHING they will have to earn it but instead of having to go month to month worrying about paying all your bills on time all you have to worry about is figuring out what you want to do with your life and as long as you have the ability to work and the intelligence capabilities to work in the field you choose then go for it but if you dont want to work and sit around be lazy well that ideology should have been taken care of by their parents but if it sticks and nothing can be said or done to change their minds well then i hope they have some good friends or really nice parents( which i dont know anybody that would let their own kid live on the streets unless they felt they truly deserved it even then this kid would have to be pretty bad naturally, which honestly doesn't happen the way children behave has a direct link to the way their parents are and if the parents are stressed out over bills or watever then the kids only really see the stress which in turn stresses them out but if you were to eliminate the stress then people would be far more HAPPY in the end

just one more


I have heard this same argument time and time again and as far the whole burger flipper thing goes their should be age restrictions on all food service and lower level jobs and then when out of high school where learning is specialized for what each individual person wants to do, they have the choice to continue schooling or get a job right after and the whole time they are in school getting good grades and working ,when they hit the appropriate age, they will be allowed to choose what kind of clothes, entertainment, and transportation they want and so on and so forth

ill be back in 7 hours or so to respond




posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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The basic problem with your premise is that you have removed the motivation to work. One need only visit any government office to ascertain the truth of this. When your job is secured by the state and there is no benefit for excelling in a position, the human tendency is the ‘meet the quota and punch your time clock card’ on the way out the door. The mundane repetitive task of a society that insures equal outcomes sees any who excel as a threat. Humans need to compete with rewards for achievement to stay psychologically healthy, otherwise we vegetate; which is why the only place for achievement in the outcome assured society of communism is in figuring out ever more creative ways to control society.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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here you go man

some writings of a free man
not a commie!!!

To this I will make my doctrine of free speech and rights of men following simple acts of common sense and the right of freedom to express all feelings, motives and motions to safe harboring of men under the rights of god ! No man should gain access of such rights of man or yet to control them, with out the understanding law and word of its people first !! The law is the people , as much of the government is also people !! Frankly people has lost to see that or have simple giving up the ideas of freedom and the true aspects of what the word means !! Its not government ! Its simply your well being of a person and your ideas , speech, respect , for another and there freedoms to harbor in a manner of freedom they have bestowed upon there self’s and many like of !!


To this is only my words that I feel is right for America and its people !!
My freedom and my words are going to soon to be gone !! That is why I write to you to day
I had once free speech in my time but soon to be the person that might read this does not and keep this hidden from the masses of people in time to which I see is happen before my very eyes !!

Some call me crazy or I’am just simple a man to make a difference among many confused Americans
You say me radical !! I say your blind to assume !! These rights and the acts of these rights and the sense of lost of those rights ! Some people say that average man don’t have the power to judge upon his following man : I will say your blind and you have also the power to judge upon man .
Judging is pure common sense of good and evil upon man , so it would be senseless to not to judge of upon !

Me as common man has a set of rules upon me as to live for me and my neighbor. I see to day no one is close no neighbors share words or gathering, people have lost he way of family values and how close family and friends should be closely regarded and the highest priority in the there life of freedom and the aspect of it and the self being of it in there life, to have such great people to rely on in a time of stressful events , and also having the same sense to do among them to which in they have helped you in time of in just.


To me I assume no one Americans has this, in sense is really bad for me to think of or talk about in words and type !! Once you have giving up this power you have lost all hope for your self and your neighbor! You might as long spread your very cheeks of your ass and take it softly!! In all cause that what your going to half do ! To me my thinking upon spreading my cheeks, the only thing that would make me do that if there is bullets in my ass ! I would never allow my self to give in to this tyranny of a mad man, but would rather die for my freedom and like so many have done for me to be here to write this script to you now. Sensibly that might half to be done and me :: aux to arms!!!!!!:: cause I will not allow my right to be infringed on or made a mockery of !! Only in sense I didn’t make a mockery of my self but the government makes and made a mockery of man .
This government needs a little reminder of what it was brought up on !! It seems that they have lost that sense and think they can control what is there’s !! Haaaaaa I laugh to this assumption to think that of what they think and to what I think is that of mine as a man and to all the Americans in this country!!

I can’t see why no one can wake up and really to see what the # is really going on ? I try to educate all that I can in the topics of this country ,and to my surprised no on no whats the hell is going on ? Or nor call me nuts of thinking that and to what is happening! Were on the verge of collapsing of a nation and no can see or nor do nothing about it which really sickens me to think that at all of the American people there so much diorama among the people ? To me in many sense ’s in what im going to say is there has to be a another war to divide this nation from the corrupt and the in just of the leaders that we have sent fourth to provide a better nation and better rules , in all we really #ed are self’s this time :: I giggle :: to my self on that one telling people way before the election and to warn about this but ?, to my surprise , well really not of much of surprise :: The average American person is a #ing moron , even when its displayed to the common speeches held by these morons !! What the # America what else is going to change your minds or simplely open up your minds to what there was before this and to what we have allowed to happen to mine and to your rights freedom and self respect for your self !!



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 05:08 PM
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I'm total with the communism idea. And thanks count66 for this thread.
I read lot's of bull in some peoples respond.. can't even count them.

Many don't understand the communism because of the anti-communism propaganda which starts in schools, proceeding in high-school and collage.

The question about why should one get the same money as one who work less. Well it's quite easy. Ask yourself this: Why are there people out their who do free and open source software which is mostly much more powerful and stable then paid software? Because they can! And because they want provide people with good work and get credits (respect) from those who use it and love it.

This is what people striving for. respect!

Today much money gives you credits (respect) because it seems someone made it in a good position by good work. That's absolute not true in most cases.

In communism you work as you like and you get motivated by your workmates to do a good job. That's called team work. If you do not a good work you don't get respect.

People feel more motivated with much respect.
Money plays the second role here.

Many of you guys are so manipulated that you really think money makes you feel better. But it doesn't.

If you are in a high position in firm do you have the respect of your workers? In most cases, no!
People tend to hate people in higher positions because they see them self as a non-valuable person. Or because they hate the fact that they make the money for people in high position.

People in high positions tend to have less friends and are frustrated. Thus doing big shopping tours buying ultra big cars and stuff to gain respect. But in reality they just hide them self behind money they can spend on stuff they don't need. And the media is promoting this making them look as ultra cool people. This again makes kids want to have more money and have ultra big cars.

The whole idea is a joke in itself and people tend to don't see the truth behind the scenes.

So what's wrong if everyone gets the same paycheck? I don't see a problem here. Is it your EGO? Are you so selfish to think like this?

In communism you don't need banks and government institutes that regulates the capital and work. Everyone would get a job and they would do a great job. Not overworked, not bored. Because there is lot's to do to make 6 billion people happy! People would be proud to do a job that is needed to make the humankind work in balance thru respect.

Not everyone is born to be a chair-man fart'er. That's OK. Some are but why they should get more money?

And saying Obama is a tending to add communism ideas to your country is a joke. That's a comment of people who don't understand communism at all.

capitalism is a false doctrine.



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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We need to take down the elite, but not with communism.

Social Democracy is the best answer, in my opinion! It combines elements of communism with elements of capitalism......



The concept of social democracy has changed throughout the decades since its inception. Historically, social democratic parties advocated socialism in the strict sense, achieved by class struggle. In the early 20th century, however, a number of socialist and labor parties rejected revolution and other traditional teachings of Marxism and went on to take more moderate positions, which came to characterize modern social democracy. These positions often include support for a democratic welfare state which incorporates elements of both socialism and capitalism, sometimes termed the mixed economy.[2] This differs from traditional socialism, which aims to end the predominance of capitalism altogether. Social democrats aim to reform capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation of programs that work to counteract or remove the social injustice and inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism.


[edit on 4-4-2009 by EarthCitizen07]



posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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Ah, the fantasies of youth written JUST like one of the Café Marxist rabidly awaiting another pronouncement of wisdom from Carl Marx; change the world with their awesome insight and wisdom. Then, years later, young college students running off to help the Revolution; fighting alongside the peasants against the evil White Russians. History records that these students were collected after the Czar’s forces were largely defeated and shot, dumped with all their revolutionary furor RIGHT on top of the dead royalty they fought to defeat. You can visit the mass grave sights as they are marked now, testaments to the stupidity of Godless idealism.

Might I ask if you have EVER even visited a former communist nation? I have. I have ALSO gone into a ‘workers paradise’ to fight to free the state slaves you long to join. In deed, you can now travel to Cuba to join the patriotic struggle of the Cuban people; have a nice trip, bye! Why don’t you take the above proponent of ‘social democracy’ with you to the airport and get him a ticket to Finland?

After both of you rocket scientist have spent a few months living what you want to subject the rest of America to, THEN come back and preach about the current evils of America. But until you have some idea of what you are talking about other than reading some brief written by another arm chair revolutionary who has never been off a statist University campus, spare us your ill informed still wet behind the ears tripe. I was busy killing God for real communist probably before either of you were born and I have PERSONALLY SEEN what that hellish political system does to the people it enslaves; further, I have lived in Finland and KNOW the wonders of 'social democracy'. The pure lunacy of the ill informed who think themselves ‘experts’, amazing.


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posted on Apr, 4 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by snidr
And saying Obama is a tending to add communism ideas to your country is a joke. That's a comment of people who don't understand communism at all.


In reality there are two systems in america:

1)Facism=republicans
2)Capitalism=democrats

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being communism and 10 being facism, people must chose between 7 through 10! If you go below 7 you risk getting killed



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by SGTChas
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Ah, the fantasies of youth written JUST like one of the Café Marxist rabidly awaiting another pronouncement of wisdom from Carl Marx; change the world with their awesome insight and wisdom. Then, years later, young college students running off to help the Revolution; fighting alongside the peasants against the evil White Russians. History records that these students were collected after the Czar’s forces were largely defeated and shot, dumped with all their revolutionary furor RIGHT on top of the dead royalty they fought to defeat. You can visit the mass grave sights as they are marked now, testaments to the stupidity of Godless idealism.

Might I ask if you have EVER even visited a former communist nation? I have. I have ALSO gone into a ‘workers paradise’ to fight to free the state slaves you long to join. In deed, you can now travel to Cuba to join the patriotic struggle of the Cuban people; have a nice trip, bye! Why don’t you take the above proponent of ‘social democracy’ with you to the airport and get him a ticket to Finland?

After both of you rocket scientist have spent a few months living what you want to subject the rest of America to, THEN come back and preach about the current evils of America. But until you have some idea of what you are talking about other than reading some brief written by another arm chair revolutionary who has never been off a statist University campus, spare us your ill informed still wet behind the ears tripe. I was busy killing God for real communist probably before either of you were born and I have PERSONALLY SEEN what that hellish political system does to the people it enslaves; further, I have lived in Finland and KNOW the wonders of 'social democracy'. The pure lunacy of the ill informed who think themselves ‘experts’, amazing.



[edit on 4/4/2009 by SGTChas]



how can you honestly say you really know anything yourself when you still refuse to accept the fact that true communism has never even been tried in any country. You say you have saw what communism has destroyed first hand but what you fail to realize is that the pure idea of communism was destroyed by the selfish a holes who tried to make the system work towards their own monetary benefit when the system is not intended to even work with money. You say we live in a fantasy world then i ask why you cant look at the history of the people running everything and see that they have never really done anything for the better interest of the people, the very same people that did all their dirty work and even gave them the very seat that they sat their corrupt egotistical a$$es down on and proceeded to plan even more efficient ways to screw us over



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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by consciencious observer
FOR ALL ON THIS LAST PAGE ESPECIALLY SGTCHAS AND YOUR WIFE OK YOU SAY EXPERIENCED COMMUNISM BUT WHAT IT REALLY WAS, WAS STALINISM WHEN STALIN DECIDED TO MAKE HIMSELF THE LEADER HE COMPLETELY UNDERMINED THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMMUNISM. IN TRUE COMMUNISM THERE IS NO LEADER ONLY THE PEOPLE DECIDING WHAT TO IN A VERY ORGANIZED MANNER AND DARK SECRET AS FAR AS HAVING ONLY RATIONED FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT WONT WORK LIKE THAT SRY THAT MAY BE HOW THEY DID IT BUT WITH TRUE COMMUNISM EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS DONE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE ALL OF US AS A WHOLE ARE WHAT MAKE THIS WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. AND AS FAR AS THE REST YOU GUYS AND GALS IF YOU WOULDNT MIND LOOKING THROUGH THE LAST FEW PAGES I HAVE SOMEWHAT LAID OUT HOW SOME OF THE SYSTEM SHOULD WORK.


communism actually means rations by definition. since there is no free market to create stores full of shelves with food that may be thrown away if nobody gets it (AKA "waste"), you will just have a warehouse which orders only as much as they know the residents using that warehouse would use during a specific time frame. plus maybe a few extra units if some other communists travel and visit the hood


so enjoy your communism, comrade. oh and don't forget to get up early preferably around 4am or so to get a place in line because tomorrow they're bringing in toilet paper at the warehouse... and you know that one goes fast so if you don't get some, you'll have to use newspapers for the next couple of weeks (again!)
(fun fact: the TP thing sounds like a joke but that was how it happened for decades)



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by consciencious observer
 


The basic problem with your premise is that you have removed the motivation to work. One need only visit any government office to ascertain the truth of this. When your job is secured by the state and there is no benefit for excelling in a position, the human tendency is the ‘meet the quota and punch your time clock card’ on the way out the door. The mundane repetitive task of a society that insures equal outcomes sees any who excel as a threat. Humans need to compete with rewards for achievement to stay psychologically healthy, otherwise we vegetate; which is why the only place for achievement in the outcome assured society of communism is in figuring out ever more creative ways to control society.


ok so you put a tier system to the reward system so the more involved you become with your career and the more you contribute to society the more you are rewarded. The main point I am trying to make is most people are miserable because they never have enough money to get what they money or they are given the option of taking out a loan that with quite a few only makes the situation worse. With a globally based system if done the right way should eliminate the everyday stresses of capitalism that most deal with including myself.

Im sry i would rather just see peace on earth without having to shed a drop of blood in the process and not see my children have to go through the hell that is about to be brought upon us all



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by DarkSecret

Originally posted by consciencious observer
FOR ALL ON THIS LAST PAGE ESPECIALLY SGTCHAS AND YOUR WIFE OK YOU SAY EXPERIENCED COMMUNISM BUT WHAT IT REALLY WAS, WAS STALINISM WHEN STALIN DECIDED TO MAKE HIMSELF THE LEADER HE COMPLETELY UNDERMINED THE WHOLE IDEA OF COMMUNISM. IN TRUE COMMUNISM THERE IS NO LEADER ONLY THE PEOPLE DECIDING WHAT TO IN A VERY ORGANIZED MANNER AND DARK SECRET AS FAR AS HAVING ONLY RATIONED FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT WONT WORK LIKE THAT SRY THAT MAY BE HOW THEY DID IT BUT WITH TRUE COMMUNISM EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS DONE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE ALL OF US AS A WHOLE ARE WHAT MAKE THIS WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. AND AS FAR AS THE REST YOU GUYS AND GALS IF YOU WOULDNT MIND LOOKING THROUGH THE LAST FEW PAGES I HAVE SOMEWHAT LAID OUT HOW SOME OF THE SYSTEM SHOULD WORK.


communism actually means rations by definition. since there is no free market to create stores full of shelves with food that may be thrown away if nobody gets it (AKA "waste"), you will just have a warehouse which orders only as much as they know the residents using that warehouse would use during a specific time frame. plus maybe a few extra units if some other communists travel and visit the hood


so enjoy your communism, comrade. oh and don't forget to get up early preferably around 4am or so to get a place in line because tomorrow they're bringing in toilet paper at the warehouse... and you know that one goes fast so if you don't get some, you'll have to use newspapers for the next couple of weeks (again!)
(fun fact: the TP thing sounds like a joke but that was how it happened for decades)


why are you living in the 60's man it is now the 21'st century all you would have to do is get on your pooter (computer) and order what you need and it will delivered to your doorstep within a day or two or sooner if a rush is absolutely needed (like maybe your sittin on the toilet and ya really need some TP LOL you could have it rushed to your house) and hey they even have them now but if your fridge is smart enough it could even order the food for you...



so instead of looking at the past and seeing all the problems they had and just stating them why dont you actually try to learn from them and also look to the future and see what could become of what you learned from the past



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 02:17 AM
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people keep spewing this commie propaganda that it's not "communism" it's "autocratic socialism", even if you really believe that, doesn't it tell you that your idealistic Utopian fairytale of the communist framework, constantly leads to "autocratic socialism" as well as the deaths of millions of people. The only way communism would succeed is if everyone thought the exact same way, they don't, and if you try to live like that you will always be subject to those who don't hold your view of the world. Just like those who advocate pacifism will always be subject to those who don't. I want to keep people from trying to build a Utopia, because the more people think they can create heaven on earth, the more likely they are to set up guillotines in the public squares to hasten the process.







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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by The-Dude
people keep spewing this commie propaganda that it's not "communism" it's "autocratic socialism", even if you really believe that, doesn't it tell you that your idealistic Utopian fairytale of the communist framework, constantly leads to "autocratic socialism" as well as the deaths of millions of people. The only way communism would succeed is if everyone thought the exact same way, they don't, and if you try to live like that you will always be subject to those who don't hold your view of the world. Just like those who advocate pacifism will always be subject to those who don't. I want to keep people from trying to build a Utopia, because the more people think they can create heaven on earth, the more likely they are to set up guillotines in the public squares to hasten the process.






[edit on 5-4-2009 by The-Dude]




its not that everyone is supposed to think the same thats not what communism is about. it is about true freedom. with communism it actually gives us(the people) the choice to decide what needs to b done and every single person has every right to voice their opinion no one will "disappear" for speaking their mind. that is just childish and wrong.

With this form of communism art will be highly regarded as an important field. since art is one of the many windows to creativity.... Creativity will be also be highly regarded and urged to pursue. there will be no force involved of course just maybe a part in the tenants that will ascertain to creativity. or it may be suggested such as many of the better paths will be suggested but never forced upon anyone because this of course would undermine freedom of choice but when it comes to solutions for important issues they will be voted on unanimously by every single person who is of voting age and the solution will be constantly changed until a compromise is achieved.




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posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Some of the replies on here actually beggar belief.

For all those people who continually want to link Stalinism to communism perhaps need to be reminded of some history and let me make the same links to Fascism from capitalism as they can easily be made.

Fascism arose from the failure of capitalism - in the Weimar Republic of Germany, hyper inflation and mass unemployment led to the rise of Hitler due to the failure of capitalism. Hitler then went on to sponsor other fascist regimes in other states such as Franco's Spain and Romania etc.

Now some may argue that Hitler actually rose to power as a result of a country destroyed by war - well even if this was true - communist Russia had been destroyed by the invasion of the allies post the revolution and this to led to the rise of an autocratic socialist leader which had nothing to do with communism and also went on to sponsor other leaders like himself in other countries which people want to label as communist - well if thats the case we then have to label all countries that Hitler established leaders in as capitalistic countries as thats how flawed your attempts to link Stalinism to communism are - fact!

Let me also remind you that the capitalist system which has been in power without real challenge for the past 20 years has led to a situation where 1/3 of the planet live below the poverty line. where 100 children die from hunger every hour, where 10% of the world own 85% of the wealth - I could go on - but I think thats enough of a damning indictment of any system and in no just way can anyone defend a system which has allowed such a horrible scenario to develop.

The fact that 100 children die from hunger every hour is worse then any concentration camp, yet we have people trying to defend this system because they and their familes are ok - how blind you are or worse how selfish you are - all of you who defend this system should be ashamed.

I would love to know how many of you have traveled to Africa, Latin America and Asia and seen the abject squalor and poverty that people live in - very few I would suspect.

For those of you who say you have spoken to people who lived in former Autocratic states and that that is proof that communism fails - well I used to live in Germany and spoke to many survivors of the war who would give equally damning accounts of how Capitalism allowed Hitler to come to power and as such that capitalism is the failed system.

For those who say I don't want to pay more taxes I would say - so what if your standards of living may have to drop to raise the living standards of others - do you think these people are in this situation because they are too lazy to work - you would probably find that most of these people work but that there wages are so pathetic that they offer them no chance of moving ahead in life.

I just cannot believe that you get so many people on this site complaining that about their governments - do they not realise that these are the systems of governments that have arisen in the capitalist system where corporations have more rights then people - if you think I'm incorrect let me point out some facts - Medical companies refuse to mass produce drugs that would save peoples lives as they would lose their profit margins. Healthcare companies try to avoid paying for peoples treatments through any means possible allowing people to die to maintain their profit margins.

This system we live in is absolute evil at its height - the daily death tolls in the world from hunger and curable disease prove this - you should all be ashamed that you support this system - how can you in any way justify it.

Communism may not be the answer some of you say - well then provide an answer - because I tell you anyone with an ounce of Human decency cannot any longer support the current system.

The current system, is inhumane, a mass murdering and oppressing system - wise up otherwise you are as bad as the people in Germany who said after the second world war that the were not responsible for the deaths of the people in the concentration camps - by supporting this current system you are responsible for the deaths of each of those people dying every day from hunger and disease - your support alone is your complicity in their deaths.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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I always knew EVERYBODY LOVES THE COMMIES



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by count66
Some of the replies on here actually beggar belief.

Let me also remind you that the capitalist system which has been in power without real challenge for the past 20 years has led to a situation where 1/3 of the planet live below the poverty line. where 100 children die from hunger every hour, where 10% of the world own 85% of the wealth - I could go on - but I think thats enough of a damning indictment of any system and in no just way can anyone defend a system which has allowed such a horrible scenario to develop.

I would love to know how many of you have traveled to Africa, Latin America and Asia and seen the abject squalor and poverty that people live in - very few I would suspect.

This system we live in is absolute evil at its height - the daily death tolls in the world from hunger and curable disease prove this - you should all be ashamed that you support this system - how can you in any way justify it.

The current system, is inhumane, a mass murdering and oppressing system - wise up otherwise you are as bad as the people in Germany who said after the second world war that the were not responsible for the deaths of the people in the concentration camps - by supporting this current system you are responsible for the deaths of each of those people dying every day from hunger and disease - your support alone is your complicity in their deaths.


oh wow! IMO your answer is quite incredible! it's a free country - and you have the right to an opinion of course. But...

you are blaming the poverty in Asia & Africa & S. America on capitalism?? i admit i've only travelled europe as of now, but i can read. and all i read about Africa is always about savages who kill each other or cut each other's hands (short sleeve/long sleeve) just because they are of different tribes, leaders like Mugabe who nationalize farms/redistribute wealth and then their whole commie paradise crumbles, so many other bad things that can't be imagined. why is this all happening? capitalism? i don't think so! it's the power grab of authoritarian people, mostly military, who as soon as they die (usually killed by others who want their power) throw their countries into chaos and civil war until another alpha male takes control of the situation and the killings are reduced.

now if you can try to remember how westernes lived in the 17th, 18th, 19th and the beginning of the 20th century while capitalism was marching in you will realize that people's lives constantly improved and as more wealth was created, more people afforded reasonable housing, some luxuries, health care. their lifespan got longer so they could actually retire from work and enjoy life for a few years. as opposed to the middle ages when people would die at 40 after a very painful life with very little joy or comfort.

why do you think most westerners have less than 2 children? because they can afford quality health, education and housing, so they know their kids have a very high chance to survive and live on. this allows the parents to also get a life instead of women being pregnant 15 years of their lives because out of 10 children only 3 reach adulthood.

why do children die in Africa? because capitalism was not allowed to work! because people did not have the security provided by the state to go get a job, work and bring home the bacon. their own state failed them, not capitalism.

i envision Africa, Asia, S America in a century as being probably as well off as we are now. technology will lead to people being more educated, less aggressive (of course there will be those lone shooters but maybe with psychological profiling in school that will be fixed) and instead of having 10 kids, they will have 1-2 just like westerners.

you say it's inhumane (opression? slavery?) to have to work to get a nice place, car, good food, etc? well what kind of life do you think people should have? look at the no-good kids of today! they feel so entitled to have anything and everything! they binge on video games and then are too tired to learn or get up for school. they deserve what's coming to them - a life of trailer trash because they did not get an education, did not care to integrate into society and as such wont be able to compete and get a decent job.

i for one feel that my energy is being converted into money through my work which i can use to get things i need/want/like. i would get so incredibly bored of just doing nothing or the same things all my life without any challenges!



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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ALRIGHT SO MAYBE CAPITALISM ITSELF IS NOT THE EVIL THAT IS DESTROYING THIS PLANET BUT CAPITALISM BEING AS EASILY MANIPULATED AS IT IS WILL ALWAYS ALLOW FOR THAT ONE TYRANT TO COME AROUND AND SCREW IT UP FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WORK HARD TO GET THERE. WITH COMMUNISM IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE ANY ONE SIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY SIDES BUT STILL ONLY ONE TRUE ANSWER WHICH IS... "THE RIGHT WAY" I BEG FOR ANYONE TO DISAGREE



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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If it's not obvious already, a capitalist version of a communist revolution is probably coming.

So, OP, what about that? A capitalist revolution?

True Marxism is impossible unfortunately. All you'll have is a new group of elites rise from the chaos that will be as bad as before.

What we need is some kind of mix of the old 1776 revolution, Marx's revolution, and a pinch of Teddy Roosevelt mentality. But keep it capitalist.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by consciencious observer
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ALRIGHT SO MAYBE CAPITALISM ITSELF IS NOT THE EVIL THAT IS DESTROYING THIS PLANET BUT CAPITALISM BEING AS EASILY MANIPULATED AS IT IS WILL ALWAYS ALLOW FOR THAT ONE TYRANT TO COME AROUND AND SCREW IT UP FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WORK HARD TO GET THERE. WITH COMMUNISM IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MANIPULATE ANY ONE SIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY SIDES BUT STILL ONLY ONE TRUE ANSWER WHICH IS... "THE RIGHT WAY" I BEG FOR ANYONE TO DISAGREE


how can i put this in layman's terms... if capitalism can be hijacked by an "Evil tyrant" as you're saying - what about communism where there are no independent courts, the media is all state owned (ahem... owned by everybody) and the military/defense force/police are all under the same ruler?

i know no system that's better than the US system as framed by the founding fathers. obviously it too has been somewhat perverted but it always bounces back and the terrible things some of the elected officials do are reversed. the US has officially apologized to the japanese americans that were kept in camps during ww2 although they had nothing to do with the war. maybe such politicians are just too eager to serve the country and protect its people but in doing so they are hurting the very fabric of our republic...

there are no such protections under communism, just the hope that "the community" will be fair and just. the same "hope" that blacks had when they were put on trial by the KKK.



posted on Apr, 5 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
If it's not obvious already, a capitalist version of a communist revolution is probably coming.

So, OP, what about that? A capitalist revolution?

True Marxism is impossible unfortunately. All you'll have is a new group of elites rise from the chaos that will be as bad as before.

What we need is some kind of mix of the old 1776 revolution, Marx's revolution, and a pinch of Teddy Roosevelt mentality. But keep it capitalist.


sry but i may not be the op but i believe me and him do have alot of the same ideals. anyways for you to say it is impossible well you are terribly wrong and are only working within the ideals of which were created by the very same people that want to either wipe you off the face of the planet or make you into more of the thoughtless drones that mny people have already become because to them you are worth about that much in their master plan.

true communism is the exact opposite there is no one group of people telling you how to live your life, there is just a basic understanding that there is more to life than dying and paying taxes and please give some kind of example of why it wont work and i can guarantee i can come up with a response that will take care of this issue using communism as a solution of course



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