Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

reply to post by count66

I take it none of you are Veterans? Where is your Patriotic Spirit.

I'm actually shocked. Yesterday was the birth of a NWO, everyone panicked and today everyone accepts it. I just dont get it??

The claims made in the Declaration of Independence were upheld by the determination and endurance of Americans who fought and died in the American Revolutionary War.

America earned the privilege of freedom and validated the joy of those souls who celebrated their independence before the war’s end.

The Declaration of Independence withstood the challenge of British resistance and a new nation emerged with freedoms and rights neverknown to any other land.

Freedom of religion
Freedom of assembly
Freedom of speech
Freeom of press
Freedom to keep and bear arms
Freedom to a fair and speedy trial by an impartial jury
Freedom to petition
Freedom of limitation of power of the federal government
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure
Freedom from double jeopardy (being tried more than once for the same crime)
I
t is important to remember that the freedoms we enjoy in America were earned by our forefathers as they fought and ""DIED"" for independence.

As a nation, America has learned that freedom does not come for free.

There is always the possibility that the freedom we know will be threatened and that we must also fight for its preservation.

I agree with the OP and think that some form of a democratic socialist government is the best way to go. The biggest lie that has ever been told is that we are a democracy. If fact, the US is a pure oligarchy!

If it were not for greed, pure capitalism might make sense. However, we have become a giant complex of government institutionalized corporations under the capitalist system. It's time for plan B - though it won't happen because we have taken the nasty corporations which should have failed and made them powerful as ever by underwriting them with OUR tax dollars!

[edit on 3-4-2009 by whatsup]

reply to post by wonderworld


im sure we all agree with you on the fact that we did fight for liberty from england but even as we are discussing these very issues there evil, very evil people in this government that are working very hard to take away some if not all those freedoms we were promised in the declaration

All the socialamists I have met are lazy and they want other people to work so they can have stuff 2. Who would the doctors when they could be burgerflipper and get paid as much!?

Originally posted by count66
reply to post by justsomeboreddude

 

Communism contrary to most peoples understanding actually advocates greater reward for greater production but just that reward has to be within the fair and reasonable means that you need to live - i.e. all someone really needs to live a fairly extravegent lifestyle would be if they had free housing and car, about €70,000 a year of disposable income.


Not the multiple millions that are paid to some people today.

Also with the need for profit removed, then peoples production can be put to good uses - e.g. why have several of our top scientist competing in different multinationals to be the first to produce a cure when they could share their knowledge and produce that cure more quickly and then distribute that to those who need it for free rather then charge ridiculous prices

That's why Communism is not the best. Competition breeds perfection and excelence. Look at the state ran things like telivision shows and schools some transportation. DMV and what not. With no competition there's no reason to realy even operate. Let alone at maximum efficiency or speed.

Originally posted by mental modulator
All the socialamists I have met are lazy and they want other people to work so they can have stuff 2. Who would the doctors when they could be burgerflipper and get paid as much!?

It's been fed to you that money is everything. In actuality some people chose the doctor profession to help people. While some people chose the soldier profession to kill others. Evil, or good, money does not effect everyone like it does you.

reply to post by mental modulator


I have heard this same argument time and time again and as far the whole burger flipper thing goes their should be age restrictions on all food service and lower level jobs and then when out of high school where learning is specialized for what each individual person wants to do, they have the choice to continue schooling or get a job right after and the whole time they are in school getting good grades and working ,when they hit the appropriate age, they will be allowed to choose what kind of clothes, entertainment, and transportation they want and so on and so forth

Originally posted by mental modulator
Who would the doctors when they could be burgerflipper and get paid as much!?

Because some do not like to flip burgers ?

Because some would like to help and heal people ?

Or do you think that the only drive for a person to be a doctor is amount of money they are gonna get ?

Would you decline offer from NASA to be an astronaut for a $10/hour ?

You know, there is a lots of people out here who actually like their job and happy with it and are not paid as much

reply to post by consciencious observer


Do you agree that adopting Communism will fix this evil?

Maybe I missed something. Most on here agree with the OP. I simply don’t think Global governance is beneficial to anyone.

With this in mind “Who would be the dictator”

Evil cannot be destroyed. The plot behind G20 is indeed evil.

Here is a link about the NWO VS Bible.

my idea is a hybrid system of communism and a direct democratic goverment...and sprinkle a little capitalism by allowing people to better themselves by starting a business or idea etc... but where everyone receives the basic neccesities shelter, education, medical etc.. and everyone is equal.. no one person is higher then another and no 1 person can judge you...the judicial system would be similar to ours but filled with only juries the jury will be the judge(the way its supposed to be) and finally the people will be the goverment just like in anthens greece with the exception of judicial matters.. as far as law enforcement perhaps you could have a period where all young people serve in military or law enforcement .. in order to arrest someone you would have convince not a judge in order to get warrant..but a jury .. you will need to convince the citizens that it is the right thing to do based on probable cause.. an arrest on the spot may be only made if there is imminent danger to him or herself and others.. so basically only when a suspect gets violent or suicidal(citizens would also have this power).. theft unless being done by force wont count.. you will still need a warrant.. as far as drugs being a criminal act.. unless your intent is to distribute then you should not be in a jail cell but a rehabilitative center.. most criminals in prison or jail is due to drug use... (waste of taxpayers money) I wouldn't have a tax on the people.. instead i would make the tax on import exports only.. so based on the production and economic health of the country the Goverment (which is the people) would receive the tax... if there is any overage in the budget , then the people would receive the overage which will encourage fiscal responsibility in all citizens... so what do you think? i don't believe any one system can work.. as we can see democracy has failed before .. as we can see communism also has failed and capitalism has also fallen as we can definetly see.. because they are all extremes that would never work.. A hybrid government system I believe is our best bet in order to ensure our prosperity.. oh and there won't be a leader perhaps there will be "representatives that will introduce referendums based on the popularity of the law or change that needs to be made and voted on by the people directly however these representatives will not be able to introduce there own bills they would only present the bills that are the will of the people. obviously this will eliminate corruption as it would be difficult for a corporation to convince the whole country to do something that would be beneficial for them." there is one thing that people will be forced too do in this free society they will be forced to attend the government meetings if not I would take away there citizenship and therefore benefits of citizenship unless you are sick or an emergency... In order to keep that free country FREE the people MUST be part of that government.. What do you think?

[edit on 3-4-2009 by thefreepatriot]

A question for the Communists: How do you plan to get around basic selfish human nature?

Another question: Why is the solution to a corrupt system to entirely abolish free markets, and make everybody responsible for one another?

Originally posted by Zealott

Originally posted by mental modulator
All the socialamists I have met are lazy and they want other people to work so they can have stuff 2. Who would the doctors when they could be burgerflipper and get paid as much!?

It's been fed to you that money is everything. In actuality some people chose the doctor profession to help people. While some people chose the soldier profession to kill others. Evil, or good, money does not effect everyone like it does you.

But what is the point of life without money? I see so many lazy people who don't pay their bills on time and make companies have less money, I say git another job or two, be a man and stop being lazy. You ain't have health insurance? get a job or kill yourself, ain't my problem, you hungry? get a job and stop being lazy.Socialamists make lazyness, just like terrorists make explosions...

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by consciencious observer

 

Do you agree that adopting Communism will fix this evil?

Maybe I missed something. Most on here agree with the OP. I simply don’t think Global governance is beneficial to anyone.

With this in mind “Who would be the dictator”

Evil cannot be destroyed. The plot behind G20 is indeed evil.

Here is a link about the NWO VS Bible.

Sociallmists are terrorist and unamericans! They want everyone to be lazy so they can be lazy!

reply to post by wonderworld


OK.... with communism as the OP has pointed out there is no one person leading us. the people themselves are responsible for what happens to our society. and when looking at that scenario voting would have to be unanimous and with the levels of connectivity we have and have only yet to achieve that can easily be done. it is time that we come together as the human race instead of raping everything that is nature.

Originally posted by 5thElement

Originally posted by mental modulator
Who would the doctors when they could be burgerflipper and get paid as much!?

Because some do not like to flip burgers ?

Because some would like to help and heal people ?

Or do you think that the only drive for a person to be a doctor is amount of money they are gonna get ?

Would you decline offer from NASA to be an astronaut for a $10/hour ?

You know, there is a lots of people out here who actually like their job and happy with it and are not paid as much

Who would want to be an astronaut when yous could flip hamburgers and not have to fly and exercise? Socialistmists are lazy PERIOD!!!

reply to post by Shredderbeam


I don't agree with that communism would stiffle development and innovation...I believe there should be a hybrid system where there is oppurtunity to grow but you also get the basic neccesities so eveyone has an equal chance to be succesfull.. you would be lying if you said an inner city kid had an equal chance to becoming a doctor vs an ivy league kid from the suburbs right? this is wrong and immoral, everyone should have an equal chance...

It wont work we live in a imperfect world full of imperfect people , you are looking for Utopia and that just doesn't exist.

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
reply to post by Shredderbeam

 

I don't agree with that communism would stiffle development and innovation...I believe there should be a hybrid system where there is oppurtunity to grow but you also get the basic neccesities so eveyone has an equal chance to be succesfull.. you would be lying if you said an inner city kid had an equal chance to becoming a doctor vs an ivy league kid from the suburbs right? this is wrong and immoral, everyone should have an equal chance...

Everybody should be equally considered under the law, sure, but to say that everybody should be made equal by the law presupposes that I am morally responsible for helping everybody, even out of situations they themselves created. The sad truth of life is that not everybody is equal. Some people are inherently more intelligent than others, or more athletic, or more savvy with money, etc. Should this obligation to ensure that everybody is equal lead us to retarding the progress of the able, while boosting the less able?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


not looking for utopia.. but if you look at Greece which harbored most technological,philosophical, mathematical, astrnomical, architectural feats for its time... they also started the olympics there is a reason.. when people are free from fear and tyranny they focus on making themselves better.. Greece harbored the Golden Age for this very reason... where those people perfect? obviously no.. did they have issues YES but in the end anthens is known as being one of the most productive states in Human History..until they got clobbered by the Roman Empire..

reply to post by Shredderbeam


Not talking about being made equal by law... I am talking about being made equal regarding opportunities... this means if you want to be a doctor but because you have a poor family that doe not mean you cannot become a doctor... yes some poor people get to be doctors....but the numbers are very few..even with scholarships which is basically a lottery.. and financial aid(which barely pays for books at medical schoo)very few poor children get the education they would need to become doctors because there parents were poor... Do you think this is moral? do you think this is right?