Originally posted by atlasastro
So are you infact offer an alternative that destroys hope?
What are you offer other than this. I'll tell you what you are offering. Nothing. Your truth is that you have nothing. No thing to explain why we are
how, how we are here, how we should be while here and what happens after being here.
You're right, many atheists won't pass off a 'why' or 'how', just a "maybe
this is why" or "maybe
this is how". This is
sufficient for me, because I know that I am being honest with myself.
I can not know how our Universe came into existence, so I won't claim to know.
Why is there a problem with that?
Wouldn't the only problem be if we DID claim to know, as religions do?
That is being dishonest, not with others but with yourself.
Originally posted by atlasastro
I don't know why atheists bother expressing anything about religion at all.
If we accept atheism and accept there is no G*D and we are instead experiencing a determanistic reality ruled by the nature of the universe and not a
G*D, then that very nature, its laws and rules, its parameters etc have determined religion as being a logical aspect of existence expressed by
humans.
It's a hypothesis without sufficient knowledge. It was formed when we still thought the Earth was flat for pete's sake..
A guess isn't worth anything if the foundation it stands on is false or limited.
Religion is a guess, and it's based on a lack of understanding of our Universe as well as many assumptions which have proven to be false.
Humans are
not thousands of years old, but millions. We have evidence of this.
The earth is not flat, and does not have corners, it is round. We have evidence of this.
Stars are not holes in a heavenly roof just outside our reach which could be gotten to by building a tower, they are balls of gas and energy burning
billions of miles away.
I'm sorry, but religion is far from 'logical'.
Forming a guess without sufficient knowledge, and then clinging to that guess as if it's the absolute truth in the Universe is not logical.
It's just the opposite.
Originally posted by atlasastro
It has determined that our processes as humans would arrive at religious beliefs inspired by a G*D as an expression and as a consequence of cause and
effect. So I can consider these religious beliefs as being entirely natural. Along with atheism.
It may be entirely natural that unicorns exist...
But I'm not going to go out into the streets and say "Believe in unicorns or burn in Hell for
ETERNITY! [echo], [echo], [echo]..."
Originally posted by atlasastro
What you would then be argueing about is that nature itself, which has also seen the logic of atheism, is wrong in inspiring religion via the
processes involved in humans, so if as an atheist you were critical of religion you create a problem for your own beliefs too. Because if this is the
case then Atheism may also be wrong as an expression of nature via the processes of humans.
Of course! We can all be wrong!
Let's sing Kumbaya together!
But let's not claim something as an absolute fact when there is absolutely no way we could know.
Isn't that lying?
Originally posted by atlasastro
So while you may deny the existence of G*D, it is also moronic to argue that a belief in G*D is illogical as there must be a cause for this and a
logic in its expression, as from an atheistic persective the very prescence of religion is an obvious aspect of the fabric of reality, an expression
of nature itself regardless of any actual G*D existing. Of course this moronic behaviour is not applicable to the logic of a believer of G*D, who
accepts a G*D existing, as nature has intended that they believe. Atheist are stuck as describing an effect of nature and its laws as being wrong by
criticising religion in any way. Atheist just have to accept religion as it is, as being logical in nature as it is simply and purely a fact of
existence.
Religion, purely as an expression of nature, can attack atheist logic because believers accept G*D as determining their existence and not nature, this
attack on atheists logic is in and of itself justified as defending nature because atheism is attacking the logic of nature when any atheist
criticizes religion, religion that is expressed by human processes determined by nature, its laws and parameters.
Not really sure what you mean when you say religion is a part of nature.
Is Santa Claus a part of nature?
Is a random guess without one iota of evidence a part of nature?
Sorry, but with the above logic, NOTHING is illogical, as everything we imagine is in our Universe, which is nature... Doesn't really jive with
me.
Originally posted by atlasastro
Religion is here, it was always here, it will always be here.
Get over it.
Not if I have anything to say about it - muwahahaha! *runs off to the nearest church*
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