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reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 08:48 AM by mblahnikluver
I read your post and the only thing that sticks out is Anderson Cooper.... Sorry I found that funny, if it wasnt intended to be I apologize.

After watching the show which is actually called "UFO Hunters" last night I did a google search on this skull. You might want to check out this website:
www.starchildproject.com...

I dont know what to think of this skull personally. It may be a deformed childs skull or it may be alien in nature some how. I am leaning more towards the alien side. Well I guess I am 50/50 on it


Here is a thread on ATS too about the skull

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 4/2/2009 by mblahnikluver]


reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 10:17 AM by jackphotohobby
The starchild skull came into the possession of Lloyd Pye, a writer and lecturer in what he calls the field of alternative knowledge, in February 1999. According to Pye, the skull was found around 1930 in a mine tunnel about 100 miles (160 km) southwest of Chihuahua, Chihuahua, buried alongside a normal human skeleton which was exposed and lying supine on the surface of the tunnel.

The skull is abnormal in several aspects. A dentist determined, based on examination of the upper right maxilla found with the skull, that it was a child's skull, 4.5 to 5 years in age. However, the volume of the interior of the starchild skull is 1600 cubic centimeters, which is 200 cm³ larger than the average adult's brain, and 400 cm³ larger than an adult of the same approximate size. The orbits are oval and shallow, with the optic nerve canal situated at the bottom of the orbit instead of at the back. There are no frontal sinuses. The back of the skull is flattened, but not by artificial means. The skull consists of calcium hydroxyapatite, the normal material of mammalian bone.

Carbon 14 dating was performed twice, the first on the normal human skull at the University of California at Riverside in 1999, and on the Starchild skull in 2004 at Beta Analytic in Miami, the largest radiocarbon dating laboratory in the world. Both independent tests gave a result of 900 years ± 40 years since death. DNA testing in 1999 at BOLD, a forensic DNA lab in Vancouver, British Columbia found standard X and Y chromosomes in two samples taken from the skull, "conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes". BOLD was unable to extract any DNA from the maxilla. Further DNA testing at Trace Genetics, which unlike BOLD specializes in extracting DNA from ancient samples, in 2003 recovered mitochondrial DNA though it was not the child of the skull found with it. Its mother did belong to a known Native American haplogroup, haplogroup C. However, useful lengths of nuclear DNA or Y-chromosomal DNA for further testing have not yet been recovered. Later testing in 2004 at the Royal Holloway college of the University of London revealed unexplained "fibers" in the bone of the skull and a reddish residue in the cancellous bone, neither of which are known or recorded to exist prior to the discovery.

Explanations from the skull's unusual features include the use of cradle boarding on a hydrocephalic child, brachycephaly, Crouzon syndrome, congenital hydrocephalus, and progeria.


That's from the
Wikipedia page. Most of the references in that section link back to the Starchild Project, and have since being removed.

I haven't seen the latest A.H. show but if they didn't retest the skull (presuming it's being stored well, and hasn't been badly contaminated) it's a real shame, because as I understand it DNA extraction has moved on considerably since the last test. It's also far cheaper.

If the mitochondrial DNA associated with it is the skull is true (according to the Starchild website it is) its mother was likely human.

If the 1999 BOLD found standard X and Y chromosomes I'm pretty confident any further testing will show a human.

Here's a tinWiki bit (from here) that raises questions:

]There is some confusion regarding these test results as two distinct experts have claimed to have tested the skull and found clear evidence of human DNA and both x and y chromosomes. Such evidence would support alternative interpretations that the skull is of a human child that had hydrocephalus. Dr. David Sweet, Director of the Bureau of Legal Dentistry at the University of British Columbia discovered DNA and both chromosomes. The Starchild Project enlisted the BOLD Lab, Vancouver to do further tests. The Lab was confident that the results confirmed that the skull was fully human. The Project declined to agree with these findings.


I have a feeling that believers in this story are never going to find tests and doctors they feel are telling the truth about it being human.

Did the show contact any of the labs/scientists who had previously tested the skull?

[edit on 2-4-2009 by jackphotohobby]


reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 12:32 PM by DREAMING MAN
reply to post by hisshadow

Another thing that keeps running through my squirrel cage mind is the Hybrid factoring: ..."1/4...1/8...1/16...1/32...1/64...etc..."

*As was explained, one "hybrid"(a resulting offspring of EBE that mated with a homo sapien female), thus mates with another local homo sapien female, which in turn begets an offspring, resulting in the "Starchild."

The result: As you say, the scientific instruments employed can not make a complete determination if they do not have "something Y" comprable to compare it to. The "something Y" is of course of off world origin, i.e. EBE.




reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 01:11 PM by Kandinsky
The Starchild Skull is being hawked around by Lloyd-Pye to support his interventionist theories. Another ATS Thread goes into more detail. He claims that only mitochondrialDNA is retrievable from the skull and that the absence of a Y-chromosome indicates a non-human was the father. More mundane explanations for the skull refer to hydrocephaly. His claims have been challenged and there are questions about his integrity based on his denial that scientists have found both x and Y chromosomes...

What about their confident prediction that DNA testing will prove the child was alien? Well, a DNA sample was taken from the skull, and was subjected to DNA probes designed to detect sequences of DNA that are unique to humans (performed by Dr. David Sweet, Director of the Bureau of Legal Dentistry at the University of British Columbia)5. The Starchild skull DNA was found to contain both an X and a Y chromosome. This is conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes.
Source

He's just another guy trying to make a living by exploiting the dreams of the others.


reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 04:03 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by hisshadow



The Starchild skull is too symmetrical for it to be a deformity. It ways less than a normal human skull and is much stronger. The Starchild that was shown at the end of the episode looks strikingly like the aliens Travis Walton saw. They had large round heads, five fingers on each hand and looked surprisingly human. I read Mr Walton's second book (published in 1997), and saw an artist's drawings of the first aliens Mr Walton encountered. When I saw the Starchild's face, I was struck by the similarities of the two beings. Mr Walton received a lot of flak from both UFO believers and skeptics because his aliens did not look like the typical "greys". He also had no idea the Starchild would look like his aliens.

I am not going to say the Starchild skull is a hybrid, but the evidence and the face does make it possible. I will keep an open mind on this one as it develops.


reply posted on 2-4-2009 @ 04:09 PM by jackphotohobby
reply to post by kidflash2008



Some of these deformities look quite symmetrical:

radiographics.rsnajnls.org...

Why can't deformities be symmetrical?

Edit: changed reference to incorrect skull.

[edit on 2-4-2009 by jackphotohobby]
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