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Deep Solar Minimum

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posted on May, 25 2011 @ 10:59 AM
reply to post by cloaked4u

I apologize if I was insensitive. I had no idea concerning the condition if your health. I hope your situation changes for the better.

posted on May, 25 2011 @ 06:11 PM

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
When the Earth's magnetic field collapses, it doesn't completely dissapear, the northern regions above 33 degree will offer more protection because the magnetic field will still be stronger there than at any other location. but if you are above the 33 degree zone and you are still in a coastal area, or very close to one you will be greatly affeccted by these changes. the best places are well inland, in an area that is high above sea level, and above the 33 degree zone. Take what you will from this advice.

I'm curious what this is based on. Why 33 degrees? And what changes are you referring to exactly that would require being well inland and at a higher elevation?

posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:16 AM

Originally posted by DriftingAway

I'm curious what this is based on. Why 33 degrees? And what changes are you referring to exactly that would require being well inland and at a higher elevation?

Because the poles are the closes points to the source of the Earth's magnetic field and where it would be stronger. Although there is an area right at the center of both poles that is very weak and even the ozone layer gets bombarded by the Solar wind, but outside this area, and what I have seen so far up to 33 degrees or so would be the safer areas on Earth.

The Earth's magnetic field does not collapse completely when this happens, but it becomes very irregular, and the areas closer to the equator get the worse radiation when this happens.

posted on May, 27 2011 @ 05:26 AM
reply to post by cloaked4u

Ok, how about you, and those who think like you volunteer yourselves for "population reduction"?...

CO2 IS NOT a pollutant, it is plant food plain and simple. Everyone who has a greenhouse increase atmospheric CO2 to optimum levels from around 1,200ppm -1,500ppm, right now atmospheric CO2 is at 380ppm... but people like you are believing the lies that this will cause the worse catastrophes on Earth.

There is an increase in food production from 25% - 60% MORE FOOD when atmospheric CO2 is at 1,200ppm -1,500ppm, and some studies say even higher levels are benefitial.

Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.

Before the whole AGW/Global Warming hoax scientists were already saying the Earth would experience Climate Change in part due to the fact that the Solar System is moving into a new area of the Local Fluff in which there is a different interstellar cloud.

Here is part of the research from 1978.

Is the solar system entering a nearby interstellar cloud
Vidal-Madjar, A.; Laurent, C.; Bruston, P.; Audouze, J.
AA(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AB(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AC(CNRS, Laboratoire de Physique Stellaire et Planetaire, Verrieres-le-Buisson, Essonne, France), AD(Meudon Observatoire, Hauts-de-Seine; Paris XI, Universite, Orsay, Essonne, France)
Astrophysical Journal, Part 1, vol. 223, July 15, 1978, p. 589-600. (ApJ Homepage)
Publication Date:
NASA/STI Keywords:
A&AA ID. AAA021.131.209
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Observations indicating a hydrogen density gradient in the vicinity of the solar system are reviewed, particularly observations of an anisotropy in the far-UV flux around 950 A from the brightest and closest O and B stars as well as a variation in the local D/H ratio along the lines of sight to Alpha Cen and Alpha Aur. Possible mechanisms that may strongly affect the observed D/H ratio on a very small scale are considered, selected radiation pressure is proposed as the most likely mechanism for deuterium separation, and it is shown that this mechanism would be effective only if the density gradient of the nearby interstellar medium has remained stable for at least about 10 million years. This time scale is taken to imply the existence of a nearby (less than 2 pc distant) interstellar cloud. Observational arguments in favor of such a cloud are presented, and implications of the presence of a nearby cloud are discussed, including possible changes in terrestrial climate. It is suggested that the postulated interstellar cloud should encounter the solar system at some unspecified time in the 'near' future and might have a drastic influence on terrestrial climate in the next 10,000 years.

We have been SLOWLY feeling the effects. Supposedly within 100 years we will be inside this new interstellar cloud, but we are feeling right now it's effects.

Ribbon at Edge of Our Solar System: Will the Sun Enter a Million-Degree Cloud of Interstellar Gas?
ScienceDaily (May 24, 2010) — Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon?

Scientists from the Space Research Centre of the Polish Academy of Sciences, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Southwest Research Institute, and Boston University suggest that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect coming up because of the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.

The Sun traveling through the Galaxy happens to cross at the present time a blob of gas about ten light-years across, with a temperature of 6-7 thousand degrees kelvin. This so-called Local Interstellar Cloud is immersed in a much larger expanse of a million-degree hot gas, named the Local Bubble. The energetic neutral atoms (ENA) are generated by charge exchange at the interface between the two gaseous media. ENA can be observed provided the Sun is close enough to the interface. The apparent Ribbon of ENA discovered by the IBEX satellite can be explained by a geometric effect: one observes many more ENA by looking along a line-of-sight almost tangent to the interface than by looking in the perpendicular direction. (Credit: SRC/Tentaris,ACh/Maciej Frolow)

Read this from 1996 when they thought it was farther away.

Our solar system may be .ed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter
Our solar system may be .ed for an encounter with a dense cloud of interstellar matter–gas and dust–that could have substantial implications for our solar systems interplanetary environment, according to University of Chicago astrophysicist Priscilla Frisch. The good news is that it probably won’t happen for 50,000 years. Frisch presented the results of her research Monday, June 10, at the meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Madison, Wisc.

Frisch has been investigating the interstellar gas in the local neighborhood of our solar system, which is called the Local Interstellar Medium (LISM). This interstellar gas is within 100 light years of the Sun. The Sun has a trajectory through space, and for most of the last five million years, said Frisch, it has been moving through a region of space between the spiral arms of the Milky Way galaxy that is almost devoid of matter. Only recently, within the last few thousand years, she estimates, the Sun has been traveling through a relatively low-density interstellar cloud.

“This cloud, although low density on average, has a tremendous amount of structure to it,” Frisch said. “And it is not inconsistent with our data that the Sun may eventually encounter a portion of the cloud that is a million times denser than what we’re in now.”

Frisch believes the interstellar cloud through which we’re traveling is a relatively narrow band of dust and gas that lies in a superbubble shell expanding outward from an active star-formation region called the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. “When this superbubble expanded around these stars, it expanded much farther into the region of our galaxy between the spiral arms, where our sun lies, because the density is very low,” Frisch said. “It didn’t expand very far in the direction parallel to the spiral arms because it ran into very dense molecular clouds.”

The first time I started posting evidence for this was in this thread.

Here is the newest thread where I decided to repost that information together.

But you keep going along with the elites plan for population reduction by claiming we are the ones causing what nature and the universe is doing so they can control us easier... So go a. and keep drinking that kool aid...

edit on 27-5-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: add links.

posted on May, 27 2011 @ 06:30 AM
Before I forget here is another bit of news that is relevant to this discussion.

Another thread I started which is pertinent to this can be found here.

Here is part of what that thread is about.

Surprise In Earth's Upper Atmosphere: Mode Of Energy Transfer From The Solar Wind
"Its like something else is heating the atmosphere besides the sun. This discovery is like finding it got hotter when the sun went down," said Larry Lyons, UCLA professor of atmospheric and oceanic sciences and a co-author of the research, which is in press in two companion papers in the Journal of Geophysical Research.

Further down on the article you can read the following

"We all have thought for our entire careers — I learned it as a graduate student — that this energy transfer rate is primarily controlled by the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field," Lyons said. "The closer to southward-pointing the magnetic field is, the stronger the energy transfer rate is, and the stronger the magnetic field is in that direction. If it is both southward and big, the energy transfer rate is even bigger."

However, Lyons, Kim and their colleagues analyzed radar data that measure the strength of the interaction by measuring flows in the ionosphere, the part of Earth's upper atmosphere ionized by solar radiation. The results surprised them.

"Any space physicist, including me, would have said a year ago there could not be substorms when the interplanetary magnetic field was staying northward, but that's wrong," Lyons said. "Generally, it's correct, but when you have a fluctuating interplanetary magnetic field, you can have substorms going off once per hour.

"Heejeong used detailed statistical analysis to prove this phenomenon is real. Convection in the magnetosphere and ionosphere can be strongly driven by these fluctuations, independent of the direction of the interplanetary magnetic field."

For some years now some other members and myself have been pointing to this. There are more sources of energy which affect the entire Solar System, and hence the Earth, and which can cause changes, including Climate Changes, and these sources are other than the Sun, or even Earth's ghgs, in which WATER VAPOR is the main and most significant ghg, and not CO2.

Notice that energy that was/is heating the Earth's atmosphere according to the above article, and the source is not the Sun, it is being brought towards the inner Solar System by the Solar wind, and what was causing this heating up is exactly this interstellar cloud I pointed out in the response above.

Space radiation was/is also at an all time high, and it is the highest it has been at least since we started monitoring space weather. This in turn affects the Earth, and it's climate.

Space radiation hits record high

Now, the influx of galactic cosmic rays into our solar system has reached a record high. Measurements by NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) spacecraft indicate that cosmic rays are 19 per cent more abundant than any previous level seen since space flight began a half century ago."The space era has so far experienced a time of relatively low cosmic ray activity," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech, who is a member of the ACE team. "We may now be returning to levels typical of past centuries."

edit on 27-5-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: errors.

posted on May, 27 2011 @ 02:55 PM
Thats the theory behind the climate influence of the solar minimum. During sun spots, energy from the sun reacts with the earth's magnetic field forming lobes around the earth that deflect these outside cosmic rays. At periods of lower solar output, this "shield" weakens allowing these rays to cause rapid evaporation and increased cloud cover. The initial affects are a slight warming due to the rays and increased precipitation. In the long term, the increased albedo reflects insolation which begins to shorten growing seasons.

At the end of the midevil warm period, the increased rain washed away precious topsoil from farmlands, then the cereal grains could not grow in the cooler climate which resulted.

Today, we cannot look a. 300 years. Most progressives cannot see past next week. They don't understand that these cycles work for and against the human race differently.

During warmer periods, humans thrive. Swamps dry up, desease carrying insects dwindle and populations grow. Its the cooling periods we have issue with. You all can say I'm incorrect and that its only a theory except for the fact that we have two instances in recorded history of such climate events. We have no proof that C02 is anything other than a benficial gas which allows sustained life on our planet and that its levels rise and fall as a RESULT of these other climate stimuli.

During the Maunder minimum, the levels of C02 dropped dangerously low which slowed all plant growth, adding to the already mounting woes of the human populations. My research has uncovered that C02 levels have been as high as 250,000 ppm in the past and the current level of 380 ppm is dangerously close to the 280ppm point at which plant growth will not sustain. The optimal level for plant growth is over 1000 ppm.

When most hear the term Little Ice Age, they envision massive glaciers covering the entire earth. That is not the case. In the artic regions, snow packs grow causing more and more glaciers to calve adding more seas ice. Both of these events, we are already seeing, Antartica's snow pack grows 5 feet per year and the amount of sea ice is increasing. In temperate regions, flooding and late frosts damage farmland and crops. The affects of this will be felt as early as this fall as food prices will soar.

I urge you all to consider this; ice on the surface of the earth is not it's normal default state. That means that we are and have been for the last few thousand years technically in an ice age.

posted on May, 28 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Astrocreep a lot of people are still believing the lies from the AGW globalists even though their puppet masters were caught lying, and even though nature and the universe keep trying to show these people who is boss.

It is worrying that so many disinformed people make decisions based on the lies they believe, instead of actually trying to find the truth for themselves.

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