Fascism....is it here?

Yeah this fascism is killing me that well carmalized Fois Gras with Black Truffle oil & Asparagus with Bernaise Sauce I ate for dinner, along with a nice glass of Claret is a direct cause of our Governments clenched iron fist of greed. & I absolutely hate the fact that I was able to buy myself a new Fender Stratocaster because I have always wanted one in the original Fender custom color of Olympic White with a Maple fretboard. JESUS PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!!!!!! Our Pastry Chef made a from scratch N.Y. Cheese Cake for a function we had last eve & I brought 2 pieces home & made a nice Raspberry sauce from scratch.....This is insane, I hope things get straightened out soon so all will get back to normal.

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I am feeling some of the repricussions of the bills signed by Bush.....Now he has made me out to be a bad mother in letting my son ride his dirt bike due to the crappy wording on the lead/plastics ban bill for children that he signed back in Aug.

I'm waiting for the lead/plastic police to show up at my door any day now to take me away.

My son does not suck on his valve stems or lick his front fenders. I'm such a bad mom for doing something productive and fun with my son....cuff me now PLEASE!!!!!!

A_L

Yup, I think that covers it. This guy is a hell of a lot smoother than Mussolini. He will get things done that Mussolini could only dream of. Another good post, bro.

There are degrees in anything.

I do believe we are in a degree of corporate fascism and have been for several years.

Anything can be done the Right way or the Wrong way.

Of course - that depends on what one considers Right or Wrong.

Originally posted by Marmota monax
I wonder if rapid change increases acceptance? Thoughts?

Interesting insight. I would have to say yes, in a sense, because it takes some time for people to even register or believe the change. By the time they have registered it, its too late, its already got its "hooks" into people and they find that they have somehow adapted to the new reality without really realizing it. Because they have already adapted themselves, they are loathe to rock the boat any more or create a revolutionary scenario.

Hideous and insidious.

Of course, everyone has a breaking point. Unfortunately Americans, insulated by many layers of blubber and complacency as well as a lack of historical understanding, will have a long way to go before that point is reached. In the meantime, the "Powers that be" have a lot of room to change things for the worse.

We are getting very close to fascism, but not socialism. Socialism simply means the producers control the means of production, thereby the economic and political power. It does not mean state control, or totalitarianism, dictatorship, big government or anything like that. Those are optional. You can have a state run economy that is not socialism if the workers are not owning their factories and such. That would be state-capitalism, which again is different from market-capitalism. There are many sub-factions labeled socialism and while some are bad and proven failures others are in fact good. Anyways. Yes, fascism seems to be on the rise again.

Originally posted by Elostone
Hi David
SnF 4 U
I am so frustrated...I just authored a similar thread, mine's more of a rant, I'm afraid...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Something really needs to happen and soon, or I don't wanna think what may come to pass.

yada yada yada, this nation has become a nation of "something needs to happen" talkers... nothing is going to happen... everyone is just going to whine about how someone needs to do something about this until they move against us, then and only then will we actually "do something about it" and then its too late. im afraid it is how us human beings are...in this modern era... we cannot get off our ass and do something until the enemy has broken down the door, then only some will defend themselves while others cower on the ground complying.



this is why these are the end of days, the enemy is so big, so great, men's hearts are failing them for fear, and for looking after the things that are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Luke 21:28....

im not calling anyone on this thread a coward, im calling our entire generation a coward. And its not our fault, its our pre-programming, our upbringing. it is a sub-conscious warfare that has been staged against us. We encourage cowards in this generation and punish the fearless.


PS - IF ANYONE thinks a tea party revolt or a peaceful demonstration means ANYTHING to these people, and anything is going to change,,well your living in times past, only force will do a lick of good these days, and thats not going to happen because too many people are completely brainwashed into defending the seats of power, their self interest and money supply depends on it so they think. in-fact they want a forceful revolt it will give them complete leverage to move against us. im afraid we are facing a technological enemy never before seen, heat ray guns to disperse crowds that cannot be fought against....

the only chance is changing the minds of all those who protect them and suddenly reversing the tide.

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does anyone even care if they are blaming the right people?

look at the history of the roman catholic church. they never lost power.


they are still ruling the world through the church and its jesuit minions and cardinals/

so next time i hear some retard blaming congress, republicans , democrats, left wing, right wing, i am going to shoot myself out of complete defeat.

look at the facts, people. the roman catholic church is still in full power today.

read this book"""""""""""vatican assassins'""""""""

watch this video""""""""the roman empire rules today"""""""""""


we are all being decieved to our very cores of religious belief.

I also think the problem in the US is pure complacency! The average American comes home after working a full day, eats while looking at 30 minutes of orchestrated "news" and tunes out with the latest episode of The Biggest Loser or American Idol! A few complaints here and they with the friends or relatives and another beer and new episode of Lost to see!

It is so sad that the vast majority of the people are hugely opposed to giving these banks anymore and all these bail outs, but they keep right on doing it. What do we do, NOTHING! A few posts from some concerned people on a few sites on line and nothing more is done, and that is alot for some.

What happened to taking to the streets, organizing boycotts, using some sort of pressure on our government? I am a bit old now but would join an organized protest in a heartbeat, but there are none. I just don't get how we have been lulled to sleep in the past 40 years. If the consciousness of the 60's were to hit this nation I guarantee something would be done, they would have to pay attention. It just breaks my heart to see what is happening.

Originally posted by Cythraul
I agree with your overall post David9176, but not this bit:

Originally posted by David9176
a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

This new strain of Fascism that's rearing its ugly head for all to see is subject to a different set of parameters to that of traditional Nazi or Communist Fascism. This manifestation of Fascism goes far beyond border and race. It is a Global Fascism and therefore neither racism nor Nationalism serve any meaningful purpose to it. Obama, Brown and the EU are neither racist or Nationalist - far from it. Their Fascist ideal actually requires a complete eradication of National and racial boundaries. Hence why Europe is being forcibly swamped by third world immigrants and the US Government refuses to guard the Mexican border properly. The idea is that by destroying traditional cultural cohesion and traditions, a new post-traditional world where the Globalist regime can impose greater control is created.

These switching parameters are clever. In the collective mind, Fascism = Nationalism and 'right-wing' sensibilities. So now, with these very politically correct, 'left-wing' Global order, no-one suspects the rise of Fascism. In truth, Fascism is niether 'left' nor 'right'. It can be either, depending on which method the perpetrators deem most suitable.

Brilliant post- beautifully stated. This kind of puts everything that's happening right now in perspective. I believe this is what is taking place. One world- one system- no escape. Petty revolutions will be meaningless if the whole world is controlled. A push here, a push there, the world government can retract, build up, and smash pockets of resistance. The historic downfall of empires has always been due to overextension. If the empire encompasses and is distributed throughout the whole world- it has no center, it cannot be overthrown. It is check and mate.

My favorite description of Fascism was Orwell's (to wit)- "To imagine the future, picture a boot stamping on a human face. Forever."

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We're in big trouble! While we played with our new toys and enjoyed a lifestyle historically saved for the elite, we lost our representitive republic form of govenment. Our collective eye wasn't on the ball and the power hungry elite took advantage.

We've been slowly convinced our form of govenment is a democracy. But what exactly is democracy? Is it mearly "rule by the majority"? I'm posting this video because I think it spells it out quite well, and I agree with the premise that democracy is the transition from a republic to an oligarchy.

So ya David, I have to agree with you, we are well on our way to either facism, communism or socialism. Probably a combination of a couple different forms of oligarchy.

Here's the film, some of you have probably seen this already, but for the sake of discussing types of govenment and economic systems, i think we should first define the terms.

Google Video Link

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Sorry to be the one to tell you this but Fascism has been here for some time now!! The only reason why they're not trying to hide it at this point is, they know their is absolutely nothing we can do about it!!!!


Oh well better luck next time I guess...

Some of the same arguments were used by the left to describe bush minor and they were equally invalid...

(though more apropos in regards to bush minor because of his continued attempts to circumvent the system of checks and balances)

...for one very specific reason... the system is still strong with no signs of breaking down... financial mess notwithstanding.

For any form of fascism or dictator to establish itself would require chaos in the streets and we are nowhere near that nor will be for the foreseeable future.

When you take an objective look at Hitler's regime, it has an organizational chart very much like a large corporation. The only difference is that big, American corporations are not enforced by deadly weapons and armed gestapo...yet.

In a large corporation, no one openly questions the Chairman/CEO, the board is wined and dined and they don't question things as they should, top executives are powerful yes men and get overpaid for keeping the org chart structure under control and putting out the spin to the workers. All the real money goes to the top one percent of the organization. The workers are like the Wermacht foot soldier just following orders. The wage slaves don't really have any freedom as they must ask permission for everything. The performance review is just a tool for keeping the wage slave in line. And there's no pension anymore, so you're stuck on the treadmill for life.

Wages haven't kept pace with the cost of living so as to entrap the worker even more desperately.

Now comes Obama who seems to be running the government as if it is a giant corporation and he's the CEO. Unlike the average, large corporation, he does have the power of armed enforcement. The obvious danger is that a false flag op can give the president an excuse to do just about anything.

I've always thought JFK was the last, best hope for America and it's been run by the so-called "shadow goverment" ever since the coup d'etat eliminated him. I haven't felt positive about the USA since JFK was alive and well.

Anyway, yes I think the fascist, corporate structure is corrupt and the people have been pacified by television and other devices and control mechanisms. They have succeeded in making people think that their wage slave lifestyles are "normal" and the anxiety created by their corporate controlled lives is normal and can be relieved by prescription drugs and other mind consoling substances, but people are actually caught in a trap with not enough money or guts to do anything about it.

Facism is alive and well in what we used to call the United States of America. I guarantee if the souls of those who died to give us the rights we currently squander today were alive there would be another civil war. This government will not be happy until it has complete control over our lives. They will not be happy until everything we do is controlled by them.

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Originally posted by moonwilson
If the empire encompasses and is distributed throughout the whole world- it has no center, it cannot be overthrown. It is check and mate.

Thank you, and - 'exactly'!

Previous Nationalist forms of Fascist Totalitarianism were not Totalitarian at all. They were merely 'dress rehearsals' for what is happening now. True Totalitarianism is Global. No rival nations or foreign freedom fighters to step in and free the slaves. This current Fascism is ABSOLUTE. And this is why it frustrates me when anti-fascists oppose borders and the control of immigration so vehemently. They don't realise that mass unchecked immigration, political correctness and the undermining of national traditions are some of the strongest methods by which Fascism is being imposed upon us. Only an awareness of our traditions, history and cultural unity can prepare us for the fight ahead. A community where we don't even speak the same language as our next-door neighbour - let alone know their name - is the great 'divide and conquer'.