Petraeus: Israel might attack Iran

Originally posted by Darkpraetorian
The stage is being set gentlemen, the teams are picking their players and the pieces are being moved.
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Humanity makes leaps and bounds in technology and space travel by reversing the alien technology found after/during the Alien war.
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The new Imperium of Man ventures out into space...

Wow, you either have an incredible imagination, superior intellect, prophetic abilities or you are outright insane! I'm not actually sure which one I'd prefer you to be...

If Israel does bomb Iran unprovoked, we could very well witness the beginning of WW3. Quite possibly the end of mankind in the years following.

If only all the Superpowers of the world were strong enough to forgive passed ills and swallowed their pride, and just got along. Oh well.

"If man has learned one thing from history, it is that he has learned nothing."

[edit on 2/4/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by blindface
reply to post by Darth_Prime

 

I've read this thread for a few months now, and if I believe in a Conspiracy Theory of a few people running the world is beside the point.. WW3 will happen regardless. Little old men don't have to run the world for that, it's in our nature.

What has existed since the beginning of man? War..

And with modern technology, it's only a matter of time.

In Dickens' classic "A Christmas Carol", Scrooge asked one of the ghosts

if what he was shown was "what will be, or what might be".

It turned out that the answer was "what might be". Scrooge mended his ways, and a happy ending resulted.

Look at the stunning reversal of Global Warming. Who could have predicted?

Jews control America and not the JESUITS

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
The USA is the goose that laid the golden egg, as far as the rest of the world is concerned. America invented the modern world, America even invented the NWO. How do you get away from that?

The USA is not all that. Actually, if you are a resident of America I really don't expect anything different as the education system there is not interested in producing critical thinkers. It's not your fault.

You talk about laying the golden egg? More like they laid a big turd on the world. Do you really not have a clue about the what the USA and their corporate partners have been doing over the past 60 years? Here are some clues. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether or not to pursue some truth or to continue to wallow in your own ignorance. Clandestine empire.

Omar Torrijos
Salvador Allende
Jacobo Arbenz Guzman

And, yes, a rag-tag bunch of old men did manage to beat the so-called mighty American war machine. They beat them from the beginning and they beat them every day. They're beating them going on 9 years now with no end in sight.

Seriously though, the American military is being bitch-slapped right now. The Afghanis are passing the Taliban's laws and the Iraqis are inviting Saddam's henchmen back into government. And the army hasn't even left yet.

[edit on 2-4-2009 by TheComte]

Originally posted by saabster5
I say drop the nukes already. Let us have a nuclear winter, and a large population decrease. What they heck. We (humans) have managed to evolve into greedy, self-serviant beings that don't care about anything but ourselves. When there's glass parking lots all over the world, maybe then we'll realize how terrible we really are...

Easy there wild rider, there's better ways than such suffering man.

Israel is the most dangerous nation on the planet, they are the true terrorist state with a massive WMD programme that is not open to inspections by the UN or other bodies that are there to keep check on these weapons that pose a threat to stability and security of us all.

For the size of the population Israel wield excessive power, and have proven to be a racist state that has committed crimes of war and broken too many UN resolutions to mention.

Originally posted by TheComte
The USA is not all that.

Canada...PHHHHTHP! That's the way I respond to the socialist critics of America — sure, let them carry on about their nationalized veterinary care, and we appreciate their input, but they're just so tiny (and unarmed), we could accidentally squish them.



— Doc Velocity






[edit on 4/2/2009 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by son of PC
In Dickens' classic "A Christmas Carol", Scrooge asked one of the ghosts

if what he was shown was "what will be, or what might be".

It turned out that the answer was "what might be". Scrooge mended his ways, and a happy ending resulted.

Look at the stunning reversal of Global Warming. Who could have predicted?

What stunning reversal?
Man has done litle or nothing to effect the warming or cooling and has not even slowed hiw use of fossil fuels.
China builds a coal fired power plant every week to suppl ypower to a million people with each plant, more cars on the road aand industry has just pumped more into the atmosphere.

Man is a creature of habit and we are all to comfortable watching TV and listening to Ipods to notice the world around us.

We tell people of what is happening around them yet they chose to label us as crazy because we refuse to look through the rose colored glasses.

Israel will one day attack Iran with the secret blessing of the US, no matter how much the US tries to appear like a rift is opening up between the two, it is all just smoke and mirrors.
Israel will not attack until the sanctions start to hurt Iran, lessons have been learnt in the past, Iraq was a walk over because of years of sanctions, Iran however seems to have a bit more resilience

Iran is running out of "yellow cake". Also probably chocolate cake and pumpkin pie.

I can't see how Iran is a serious nuclear threat. Their low level enriched nuclear material could only be used for DU weaponry, which according to the US is basically harmless to humans.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
...we could accidentally squish them.

Actually, I heard that some Americans accidentally squish things all the time, being so fat and all. So, yeah, we do worry about that sometimes. But as for your military...bitch slapped...

I don't think Israel can count on America if they do attack Iran. The American forces are nearly spent. They will have to have a draft to rejuvenate it. Or, I guess they're calling it the GIVE bill to confuse the ignorant. Doc, consider yourself confused.

[edit on 2-4-2009 by son of PC]

reply to post by son of PC


I won't derail a thread that is't mine.
everyone is entitled to an opinion.

This is about Israel making more overtures about Iran being a threat.
The only threat that Iran has is the power to become the ME super power and having Israel left out in the cold.

Okay, so I guess this thread is tapped out now? The USA and Canada are bitch-slapping each other, Israel is forgotten. It's a brave new world!

BREAKING NEWS: USA Annexes Canada - Will Use Great White North as Illegal Alien Detention Camp!

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by JanusFIN


Hmm... according to my thread here, Netanyahu is saying the exact same thing:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I wonder why you get more replies, though... conspiracy?

reply to post by xbranscombex


Hopefully those three have the presence of mind to tell the others to stop the stupidity. None of the 'big three' have the resources to fight a wide scale conflict on several fronts.

Some people here really need to stick to their anti-depressants...

I'm tired of these apocalyptic, "East meets West" showdowns triggered by an Israeli catalyst, which have been floating around since 2006.

It's been 2 and half years of speculative rubbish and we still have yet to see anything conclusive proving Israel is going to attack Iran.


1. Israeli is in no tactical position to launch any kind of surgical strike on Iranian nuclear assets.

Short of actually lacking the range to reach Iran's facility (without US help), the IAF doesn't have any munitions actually capable of making in dent in Iran's extremely hardened facilities.

Aside from reactors, many facilities will have an underground component. The Natanz site provides an example. IAEA inspectors reported construction of two-metre thick walls and suggested that the three 190x170m cascade halls will be underground. The 75 foot deep foundations of these halls are typical of ‘cut and cover’ facilities aimed at reducing vulnerability to aerial attack. The generator halls are likely to be covered with a thick reinforced concrete blast cap and either rock rubble or packed earth overburden.

www.acig.org...

A GBU-28 can penetrate 100ft of earth on a good day, and about 30ft of reinforced concrete.
www.fas.org...

Nothing short of a tactical Nuke is going to be able to touch 75ft of double-enveloping cover with earth and concrete sandwiched between each other.

Israel AT BEST can field JDAM kits for simple Mk84's, which having no where near the level of penetrating power as a GBU.
www.boeing.com...

2. Israeli planes, assuming they take off from Israeli AFB's (the most likely staging ground) would need to cross Syrian, Iraqi and perhaps Jordanian, Turkish and Saudi airspace.

Syria and Turkey are currently in as tense of a political climate as they have ever been with Israel.

Turkey's Prime Minister Ergodan openly voiced his opposition of Israel's Gaza offensive and walked out on Shimon Peres at the the World Economic forum: www.reuters.com...

Syria is still Israel's immediate military threat after the Palestinians. Not to mention being strongly backed by and having good military ties with Iran, Israel's sworn enemy, Syria also severed most diplomatic ties with Israeli after they bombed an alleged Syrian nuclear site in September, 2007: www.nytimes.com...

Syria has been purchasing huge amounts of A2A weaponry from Iran and Russia: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...

Saudi Arabia, even though a staunch US Ally, is still a fervent opponent of Zionism and the Jewish State. Not to mention possessing an incredibly modern airforce (www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...), it holds significant leverage over the US in terms of military decisions because of oil-producing power.
And oil comes before any alliance or friendship as we all know.

In short, no country in the Middle East save for Jordan (probably Israel's closest Arab ally apart from Egypt), would allow unrestricted Israeli military access to it's airspace.

At the least, you could see Israeli-Arab relations going out of the frying pan and into the fire; at worst Arab nations might actively oppose any Israeli planes on their territory.

3. Iran's extensive A2A defences present a final hurdle to cross for Israel, in addition to capability and accessibility:

General Yury Solovyov, commander of the Air Defense Forces Special Command (former Moscow Military District Air Defense Command), said: "Currently Iran has our [Russian] air defense missile systems, which are capable of tackling U.S. combat aircraft. Iran also has French and other countries' [defense] systems."

en.rian.ru...

"The S-300 systems have not yet been delivered within the framework of the contract concluded two years ago. However the contract itself continues to be fufilled,"

www.israelnationalnews.com...

Russian state news agencies have confirmed that Moscow signed a contract in 2007 to sell advanced, long-range S-300 air-defense systems to Iran, and "the contract itself … is being gradually executed."

www.heritage.org...

Tehran has already taken delivery of the SA-15 advanced mobile SAM, and is expected to receive the long-range S-300 system later this year.

formerspook.blogspot.com...

Top to bottom:
- SA-2 Guideline / HQ-2 / Sayyad-1
- SA-5 Gammon / S-200 / Fajr-8
- HAWK
- SA-10 Grumble / S-300
- SA-15 Gauntlet / Tor Missile System

uskowioniran.blogspot.com...

4. If you add into this mix America's denial to give the Israelis a green light to go ahead with pre-emptive strikes in early 2008:
edition.cnn.com...

What makes anyone think Obama of all people is going to be any more open to suggestion of an Israeli rodeo romp on Iranian Nuclear facilities, knowing full well the powderkeg situation he faces in Iraq?

5. None of this adds up. Israel might all the motivation and desire in the world to attack Iran but they sure as hell need Washington's approval and backing to do this successfully.

Israel on it's own, is nowhere near capable enough to pull this off. They simply can't do it.

[edit on 2/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]

iran won't be touched anytime soon... if Israel does go in they will probably have to go it alone and they will not win.......they need the U.S to support them... however for the U.S they risk Russian intervention... and help... it can turn real nasty, this is the only reason we have not invaded iran..

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira


You forgot to mention that Iran has a pretty descent airforce... which israel warplanes would have to get thru... its not the usual bombing defensless civilian actions they usually do... in short they would probably never make to there targets.......

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira


That is the most complete and thought out answer I have ever heard. It is also the most correct interpertation of the situation.

For those conspiracy hacks who just spout your anti-american and anti-isreali b.s. and claim that the two are out to start a war...refer back to this post whenever you feel that you have a "correct" answer because you don't...you just don't. The Godfather of Conspiracy has the answer, backed up with precise research.

It is not possible at his time for any real action to be taken, it's all posturing and tough talk by Isreal. Iran knows it, America knows it and obviously Isreal knows their limitations. That is why you won't see it anytime soon.

Congratulations on a TERRIFIC post.

reply to post by JanusFIN


Really, this rubbish has got to stop. Ahmedinejad is jewish (as a conservative Iranian newspaper recently revealed.) He has also called openly for a New World Order and has been photographed giving the devils horn finger sign with both hands.

The power at the very top is working together again, like always. Only the little sheeple are fooled by The Game and The Plan. Halliburton had contracts in Iran under subsidiaries until very recently (still does behind front corps), and US taxpayer is funding the Russian agency building Iran's nuke reactors. (Just like Rumsfeld sat on the Board of ABB which built all of N Korea's nuclear reactors.) Its show business.

We're going to build them up like we did the Commies, so we have the requisite thesis to launch our antithesis against for the predicted, desired outcome.

Cmon people. WAKE UP! The hour is far too late for this nonsense.