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Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I am a non-consistent smoker and I agree that smokers shouldn't have rights.
I mean why should people care about people polluting clean air for everyone else?
Oh we should care about their rights? Ok let's start caring about having over 300 different poisons in Cigarettes instead of the tax hike.
How about we care about their health more than their addictions?
How's that sound?
Care to give up your vehicle which pollutes the air thousands of times more than cigarette smoke could ever dream?
Yeah, didn't think so.
[edit on 4/1/2009 by Griff]
Originally posted by John Matrix
People don't smoke. Cigarettes smoke. People are just the suckers on the end of them.
Tax them to death and give non smokers a huge tax break.
The Governors call to insure 20,000 additional children under SCHIP called for the State to spend $23.6 million of tax payer funded General Revenue in the Supplemental budget, then maintain the expansion through use of one stimulus money in the 2010 budget, leaving the tax payers to pay for the continuing burden beyond when the one time stimulus money is exhausted or force reductions in coverage, future deficits or potential tax increases—or all three. Budget Chair Allen Icet has pointed out that the supplemental budget cannot expand programming in this way according to Missouri Constitutional limitations. As Bentley points out below, SB 539 required families on SCHIP beginning in September of 2005 to pay premiums if their household income is 150% of Federal Poverty Level (FPL) or above. The gubernatorial plan would seem to contradict Missouri law based on both Constitutional and statutory grounds. Those that falsely claim we have cut SCHIP and childrens health care coverage in the last four years are simply misinformed and/or are misrepresenting the facts. We have actually expanded SCHIP and other forms of childrens health care coverage, such as presumptive eligibility through FQHCs, during the last 4 years. Missouri Children can qualify for SCHIP up to 300% of FPL, which is $66,150 for a household of 4 and $77,370 for a household of 5. To eliminate premium payments for children whose parent(s) earn between 150% of FPL ($33,075 for unit of 4) and 225% of FPL ($49,613 for unit of 4) and reduce premiums to $50 for households earning between 225% and 300% of FPL does not add 20,000 children to SCHIP. It simply gives an additional 20,000 plus children free health insurance like those who currently receive free coverage below 150% of FPL. It is a shell game. This is welfare expansion into the middle class and those with upper class incomes at the expense of Missouris most vulnerable. The right approach to SCHIP is not to spend 23.6m of tax payer funded GR to give free coverage to children whose parents already willingly pay for it. The right approach is to expand eligibility awareness, enrollment and re-verification and retention. Our focus should be on the most vulnerable Missourians—from at risk children to vulnerable seniors to those with physical and developmental disabilities—not children in higher income ranges whose parent(s) can clearly afford and willingly pay a premium offset for their childrens health insurance.
Originally posted by Snap
Not smart? Exactly what age do you think people start smoking at? Right, when they are kids. You don't decide to just start smoking when you are 20 or 30... try 12 or 13. By the time you know better it is too late.
Originally posted by Akoostikreikiya gotta wonder when the tobacco black market is gonna start though
Originally posted by pyrytyes
reply to post by chise61
As suggested by another member on the forum, I have ordered the ecig.
My approach is this: The method of nicotine delivery is a bit different than gum or the patch. The strengths can be varied, just as gum and patch.
I will be treating it myself along the lines of a "smoking cessation technique", and as such will be essentially be billing the tax takers for my efforts.
As I have not tried the method of delivery, yet, I can not speak to the effectiveness of the delivery system. However, I have tried the gum... couldn't walk and chew at the same time (:lol, and the patch increased my urges to the point that my cig usage went up, while using it...I have a 1/2 package sitting in a drawer.
I just have to love the "system" and thought of this method to beat it, and when I get ready, perhaps, the addiction.
I wish you, as well as, my other brothers and sisters, good luck in your endeavors.
reply to post by MagicaRose
A few days ago a man was selling cigs for 10.00 a carton where I live.