Originally posted by finemanm

Thats funny. How about 1948, 1967, etc... where Israel defeated Egypt, Syria, and Jordan without American military support. They did it all by themselves.

You honestly think it was by themselves!~?!??!?!?!

I don't mean the U.S helping..
I mean God Almighty.

Calling someone Anti Semite because they disagree with the policies of Israel, is like saying that if you dislike Hitler you must therefore hate all Germans. Arabs are also Semites by the way. If I do not like Palestinians, that would also make me Anti Semite. One can disagree with the policies of Israel and not be anti semite, or even anti jewish. Calling someone anti semite because they disagree with you, simply points out ones own ignorance.

Zionists often cry Anti Semite, when they feel threatened that others may see through their racist views. It only reinforces the fact that they are racist, as they do not see their Arab cousins as Semites, they see them as less than human. Israel runs Palestine under a system of racist Apartheid that Bishop Desmond Tutu, and Nelson Mandela have both stated is worse than what was abolished in South Africa. Israeli leaders now pretend to be for peace, but continue to refuse to talk about a Palestinian state, and insist that Palestinians must remain under Apartheid.

Zionists will point out that Palestinians used to set off bombs in public market places, but they fail to mention that Arabs learned that behavior from the Zionists themselves.

August 20, 1937 - June 29, 1939. During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others.

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses, in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.

December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.

When Zionists commit terrorist attacks, it seems that it is perfectly OK. You never see the people who love to scream "Anti Semite," even mentioning all the terrorist attacks committed by Zionists. When you point it out to them, they simply ignore the issue. Should a Palestinian try and fight for his freedom from racist Apartheid, suddenly they are horrendous dogs, despite having learned terrorism from their oppressors. Prior to the Zionist movement, Palestinians and Jews were living side by side in peace as they had been for generations. Jews are not bad. Israel as a nation of people is not bad. Zionism is the root of evil in the holy land. It is the leaders of Israel that are responsible for the problems, not the Israeli civilians for the most part. Now the Israeli leaders seek aggression against Iran. The US will not be sending in any sons and daughters to die for them. Obama seeks diplomacy, and rightfully so. If Israel attacks Iran, it may set them back for a while, but it will only create a greater reason for future retribution. Attacking Iran is bad for Israel in the long run.

Yeah, well, some of my ancestors on my mother's side did some terrible things to folks on my father's side, which includes American Indian.

But that was yesterday.

Today is today, and no one is going to turn the borders back, no one is going to back up.

It's forward.

1948-49? done.
1967? done.
1973? done.

Yesterday? done.

Israel has its borders, its nation, and it's moving forward.

Only lessons can be learned from times past. And for Israel, those lessons are to be wary as at every opportunity, they will be attacked again and again.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
Let's not forget Israel is a small piece of land, so it wouldn't take many missiles and bombs to annihilate the entire area.

The missile defenses that Israel has now has greatly improved over the years thanks to US secret missile defense technologies. Israel has more to fear from short range small rockets. You can safely bet that the Iranians will retaliate in every way they can including using terrorist organizations allied with them and who are neighboring enemies of Israel.

The problem with any action here by either side is that the likely result will be that Israel will deem the annihilation of its enemies as necessary for the survival of Israel and the Israeli people.

No matter where rockets are launched from in an Iranian retaliation against an Israeli attack, Israel will be compelled to attack with full force on any source of rocket or enemy fire, this time with annihilation as the ultimate goal. Annihilation of Israel's enemies, or Israel will face annihilation itself.

Perhaps the best course here should be both sides having equal destructive powers "Mutually Assured Destruction" It kept the USA and Russia from attacking each other, and may work with Iran and Israel.

Mutually assured destruction could be the answer if they can avoid war now, one day both with have the ability to annihilate the other.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Walkswithfish]

Israel simply wants to do this NOW because they know Iran has a deal with Russia for modern anti aircraft defense systems. Once they are in place, Israel would have a much harder time attacking Iran.

Iran is no imminent threat to Israel, and diplomacy would be a far better option. The belief that all Muslims are hopping mad and can't wait to get to Allah, is both erroneous and narrow minded.


[edit on 1/4/09 by Terapin]

Originally posted by dooper
If someone tells me they plan to kill me, I'm already shooting. I'm taking them at their word.

Israel is likely taking Ahmajackoff at his word.

I agree. Serenading them with love songs and "Give Peace a Chance" won't work with these blood thirsty morons. They just don't get it.

Even when they get it, they still won't get why they got it.

There is no reasoning with zealots on either side of this debate. They are incapable of breaking their conditioning. It is truly unfortunate. Unfortunate for those of us that are forced to deal with the fallout. Blood and death and ruin are all that is left.

Isaiah 1:16

Sure, you can continue to play silly name calling games. It doesn't matter to me at all, and certainly make you look smarter.

The world has had a lot of fun laughing at the pronouncements of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who stands falsely accused of threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the map. But Ahmadinejad has protested that it would be wrong to kill large numbers of civilians.
In contrast, Lieberman has threatened to wipe at least two countries, Egypt and Palestine, off the map. Monstrously, he suggested bombing the Aswan Dam, which would have the effect of murdering all 80 million Egyptians and sweeping them into the Mediterranean in a vast continental African tsunami.

The world knows that Israel has no intentions of being a peaceful nation, and will always try to make it look like the "other guy" was at fault. We know better.

That looks like another one of those "outside sources" that was pegged together in the backroom of some Hizballah bomb making factory.

Don't you worry about what I look like Terp. I certainly don't worry about you.

If Netanyahu says he'll stop Iran, then I wouldn't take bets against him.

Those Israelis are pretty canny. Smart.

And when they go out to do a job, well, the job gets done.

If a person can't swallow that, then choke it down.

Originally posted by dooper

Iran and Israel are not natural, historical, or cultural enemies. It almost seems that certain groups in the ME are being drawn or compelled to want to destroy Israel. But the Israeli Jews are well studied in their books, and it's going down just as foretold.

And there's nothing that anyone can do about it. What's going to happen is going to happen.

This says a whole host right here and this my friend is why I will not vote for another Republican till they boot the religious right. I dont believe that it is all part of some religious plan because I dont buy the man made religions ie Judism, Christianity, and Muslim. There is a moment you have to ask yourself is this prophecy or self fullfilling prophecy?

I dont think I want someone who believes people can talk to snakes, build a boat for all the animals on the earth to fit on, a god that sees everyone every second of the day that if you pray to this person and he gives you what you want its a miracle but if it doesnt happen then its gods will, he will come back and fight this evil that was released by his creation someday, oh you need money for this god because the god can create the heavens and earth for us all but cant fund his own operations, and on and on and on. The religions we have on earth are the biggest frauds and jokes and its hard for me take anyone serious who actually believe these man made fables and yes they are man made.

The Jews went in and kicked some arse now they have land its not gods will its the Jews said they want a place to call home so they did it. All of the countries on this earth have switched hands how many times over the years is that too gods will? This statement by you is what scares me. As an American you are allowed to believe what you want thats the beauty of America but our leaders should be trying to fullfill some man made fable.