Originally posted by KyoZero
Ok...well first..thanks for the kind and gentle approach. I guarantee the same open discussion towards you
So let me ask this. We have God and Jesus. Most of us know their story. So when I say I worship Isis, Queen of the Nile, Queen of Magic, Queen of
Beauty, what do you believe I am doing? Am I worshiping whatever God is as a different name? I can see what you are getting and it has actually made
me think. Isis' message is near the same but there seem to be some difference in Paganism and Christianity.
This is pretty hard to say, it could be but not exactly. If you mean worship in the way Christians worship Jesus, then in my opinion you would be
worshiping a false idol. I think Christians worship a false idol in the way they worship Jesus. It is said to not make idols of the father, at
first I thought this was meant to keep people ignorant of the father, but then I realized it is because any single idol as such does not even begin to
actually describe the father.
If you mean you listen and understand the wisdom to message, then I would think that is ok, as that is the important thing. Wisdom and understanding
come from the father, and where you find those you find the father.
I personally was just shown the path and given understanding. I was never told - go follow Jesus, but when I read the words of Jesus after I was
reading exactly what I learned, and in a way I know couldn't possibly be fake. And I was reading them at a time when I didn't think anyone
understood what I learned. So that is why I am so fond of Jesus and his message. If that is true of others, I don't know. But I find it hard to
believe that the father is only going to cater to a very select and few % of the population and leave the rest out cold just because they didn't
Jesus also says that if you don't love him and you don't hear him, then the words you hear will be of the father. This is lined out in John 14.
I experienced John 14:20, and found the truth of the father within. And this was followed by a period of time where I learned a ton, and my entire
perspective changed(but not what i see with my 2 eyes). This is John 14:26.
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him.
22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
This describes what I experienced exactly, and again long before I had any idea the bible said these things. This is the moment you are what Jesus
calls "born again", in which you realize you are born of the father and what you truly are.
I would think/expect that anyone who finds the father will experience the same thing or something similiar. I don't know if other religions talk
about this, but this I know to be true outside the bible and religion as a whole(I was agnostic when it happened).
For example, Christianity sees that what I did (sleeping with my wife and another) is bad. Paganism teaches to enjoy my body and share.
Right or wrong it's between you and the father. I do not look at the commandments as "laws I must follow", but rather requirements for living in a
peaceful society(heaven). How can I expect to live in such a society if I myself can not live by them? Part of that is what you do is none of my
business and what you do is between you and the father. Do I think it's a good idea? Probably not, it can in many cases cause troubles in your
relationships. You will reap what you sow, so be careful of what you sow is all I can say about it. Otherwise, it's none of my business and it's
not my place to judge outside my own actions.
Christianity teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Paganism holds that it isn't the person you love, just that you love, man or woman. That is where I
think I get a bit stuck and see a pretty fine but real distinction.
Again, none of my business. I can only say you reap what you sow, and it will carry it's own consequences if it is wrong/bad. But I'm pretty
sure it would be wrong of me to judge someone for it, as to judge someone I would have to put myself above them, and only 1 is above all.
I don't have so much an issue with Jesus because I do believe he is real, but I don't believe he is as Christianity does. God as you see it is
infallible and all that is. On the other hand I see God as you see him, as A god butt not THE God. So I guess in a way I am one of the wicked. I
promise that last sentence isn't sarcasm or mean. From what I see there is some key differences that would make me the wicked.
So I am just curious how you see what I am
I promise I won't take offense
God is within. YOU are technically god. Your consciousness and what gives you the sense of "I AM" is the father within you. The father is the
only actual observer of the universe, the only consciousness. I just can't begin to explain how special consciousness and such is. It is not of
this creation at all. This creation is based on logic, action and reaction. Consciousness is void of this, consciousness creates logic, not the
other way around. Your body is a vessel which holds this consciousness/soul and is a "temple of god".
In order to have this experience of life, you must not "know all". There is always a place you can't "go beyond", because if you go beyond that
point then the limited amount of knowledge to experience this "reality" would be gone. This is to be the "son". While the father knows all,
the son does not. The son is still technically god, just not the all knowing father who is within. This is why when you "sin" against another
person, it is a sin against god. Because you are sinning against the father that is also within them.
Hard to explain exactly, and is a topic in itself. But the father sees the entire movie film. When you stretch out the movie film, it has no time,
all is known, there is no change etc. Only when you limit the film and what is known of the film, and take it down to frame by frame, 1 after the
other does "time" exist for the film, and only then does changes and such happen. This is the perspective of the son(you, me, all of us). Only
as the father knows all, it's not a single movie film, but all possiblities exist, on top of each other, like a choose your own adventure
book(quantum physics hints at this). You change "dimensions" every millisecond. This appears "linear" from our perspective, because our path is
linear, but the universe is not linear. How far away dimensions and such are would take getting into 4d and such. This is how you reap what you sow
and why the "future" is not known exactly. This is also why the path Jesus shows is so important and this is what I was taught. Thus, giving
lip service to Jesus or other idols, or worshipping idols will do you NO good at all, only by actually walking the path yourself can you get to such a
The holy spirit is said to talk in tongues. That gets manipulated a bit into people running around speaking in some "other language". What it
actually means is that the holy spirit and the father will speak to you in ways you can understand. No matter what your language or culture, the
father and the holy spirit can speak and give understanding to you. Thus, this comes back around full circle to - are you just worshiping an idol,
or are you walking on a path that leads to a good place. It's what you do that matters, not what you praise and give lip service too. Because
again, if you steal from people, how can you expect to live in a society with no theft? etc.
[edit on 2-4-2009 by badmedia]