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Originally posted by rundog
reply to dingyibvs:
You have made good points.
Don't forget that in a conflict involving Taiwan, that Taiwan itself has an awesome array of firepower aimed directly at mainland China.
I have always believed that Taiwan is free only as long as China is unable to invade successfully or unwilling to pay the terrible price of invasion. Taiwan would be levelled I assume by an all out Chinese attack, but the threat of what Taiwan would send their way keeps China at bay. I am no expert, just an armchair General and Admiral! Internet has lots of data about Taiwans impressive military, more to the point, the carriers may well be too vulnerable for the future or the present. I guess I'm not sure.
Originally posted by Harlequin
which is why the uk has an `Omega` warplan - targetting the USA.
the latest ship-killing unmanned weapon systems like
supercavitating torpedoes and supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles
being produced and/or developed by other countries that can probably
sink the CVN-21, even if it is protected by its own highly-advanced,
highly-lethal systems like fighter aircraft (primarily F/A-18s), ASW
(Anti-Submarine Warfare i.e. "sub-hunting") aircraft, the Raytheon
Ship Self-Defense System (SSDS), Aegis-radar-equipped and highly-weaponized cruisers and destroyers,
submarines, etc. That’s not to mention unmanned aircraft systems
(UAS) a.k.a. unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) being produced and
developed by other countries that can also potentially wreak a lot of
havoc and destruction on surface ships. And, at the end of the day,
that’s what the CVN-21 will be, a large, hulking, incredibly expensive
(albeit very sexy) surface ship.
The basic operational plan also reflected an awareness of the efficacy of the classic indirect approach-a key aspect of asymmetric warfare. They also exploited a basic vulnerability of open, democratic political systems-a benign operating environment. If a handful of Saudis could plan and carry out effective attacks halfway around the world in a foreign land, why then could other adversaries not accomplish the same in local waters familiar to them?
The typical carrier capabilities that lead to presumptions of impregnability include: speed, armor, compartmentalization, size, defenses (air wing, own-ship, escorts, etc.), blue-water sanctuary (range from shore and from adversary/targets), and technological superiority of U.S. weapon systems. Not often discussed, though, is how a smart enemy might exploit technology or subterfuge to obviate some traditional carrier strengths. Some potential examples include:
* Mass media, satellite communication, and the Internet can provide location and disposition of U.S. carriers when they are near shipping lanes or coastal waters; carrier presence is obvious well before the silhouette appears on the horizon.
* Carriers not supporting a conflict requiring continuous air wing operations will not be operating at higher speeds, especially at night.
* Fast, low profile, open-ocean craft are widely available.
* Armored hangar bay doors are useless when open, typical to lower conditions of readiness.
* Carrier crew size and diversity would likely allow unfettered access to clandestine infiltrators of almost any ethnicity.
* While nuclear power provides virtually unlimited steaming, carriers remain dependent on forward staging areas and supply ships for food, aviation fuel, and stores.
* The insatiable appetite for information afloat is satisfied by way of precious, uninterrupted bandwidth flowing through multiple nodes with varying vulnerabilities.
Originally posted by mel1962
China is reported to have developed a missle that is large enough destroy a US supercarrier with a range of 2000 KM and a speed exceeding MACH 10. It has a very unpredicatable flight pattern and is directed by satelite and unmaned planes.
See Link Below:
This could seriously limit US ability to project power in the west Pacific. I wonder if this is why North Korea is acting so boldly with the missle launch. Perhaps China wants to run a test of this new missle to see what our counter measures maybe. This is very disturbing, I hope we are working on significant counter measures.
[edit on 3/31/09 by mel1962]