Money is lame lets do something new

Money. I hate it. Some love it, but they stole theirs, either directly, or proxy through some unjust law, such as vehicle repossession making you pay for the thing you no longer own.

Money is for people too weak and stupid to do it themselves. Or too lazy. Money created cities, cities subsequently created..-stupid.

Everything I see I hate. Buildings, some say are pretty. I say not. Wheres the trees. The animals, the rugged terrain? Oh thats right mankind thought it had the right to move things, before they knew, cities affect weather adversly.

Money turns people into loser douche-bags giving them stupid toungue syndrome, where they feel that because they have so much they are boss..also a false way.

But to get together as a species, and decide that our technology and drive to explore, are stronger than a will to let ourselves be boondoggled by a group of childish bankers and politicians with no soul.

Nix the money makers out of the picture. Make space craft, make advance farms, make real food, continue video games, continue the internet, loosen up on the law side of things. Everycountry will one day find deleting money is the best thing they had ever done.

Avoid war, punish the greedy and help the needy.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by mastermind77]

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Do you like Pink Floyd?

LOL, I am sorry, but you seem to be making this post out of a lack of not having any.

There are lots of things you can do without money.

Research and figure it out for yourself!

Abolish taxes and your problems are solved. Money has nothing to do with it. Money is whatever you want it to be without the reinforcement of taxation. You can make it your life or abandon it altogether and not suffer one bit.

As long as government sees fit to tax your property you'll never be able to live a self-sustaining agricultural life. Government demands taxes of your property. To pay this extortion you need an income. Having an income means income taxation on top of your property taxation. Many who attempt to maintain a self-sustaining agricultural lifestyle now are forced into working both their land and a separate job to pay the government it's decided "cost of life." Eventually they go rogue and are imprisoned by the government or they give up the agricultural part of their life in favor of the income, taxation and ease of the supermarket/department store life which was made necessary by their time constraints working both their land and their job.

Taxation is the root of slavery in this neo-feudal oligarchy. Money has nothing to do with it albeit money is a convenient tool by which this government shackles via extortion at gun point.

Everybody do this.
1. counterfeit money.
2. crash capitalism.
3. activate the Venus Project, a money-free resource-based economy.

Originally posted by ctjctjctj
Everybody do this.
1. counterfeit money.
2. crash capitalism.
3. activate the Venus Project, a money-free resource-based economy.

We're in this together.

I'll just give all Monopoly money the "official stamp" and we'll crash this market by tomorrow.

What do you propose we replace the conventional monetary systems of the world with? Simply stating that they should be done away with does little to address the issue adequately. Say you wipe such systems from the world, what would take its place? Some kind of virtualized currency system that only exists as a balance in a computer network somewhere? Credits? Tokens? Monkey-Faced-Metal-Chunks? The end results would be the same because an item either real or imagined represented the concept of worth and value.

I don't see us wiping out the current systems simply because we all want something to show for our hard work. If I got absolutely nothing out of my job to show that I put in my time and had obtained something of value for my efforts why would I bother coming in to work? Ask most folks if they would work for absolutely nothing five days a week and I suspect most will tell you there is no way on this green earth they would do so.

I have been bothered by the monetary system for a very long time. Not that there is something wrong with have a physical entity which is basically a conversion of one's effort, but it's the method in which itis controlled that angers me.

Taxes, IMO, are an absolute fraud.

Celebrating movie stars and athletes, is also an absolute fraud. The ability to lobby any gov't official, or said officials being allowed to keep their "war chest" is absurd. Lifetime pensions after one term for congress is another joke. Healthcare...dear god...

Why aren't teachers, professors, doctors and scientists more sought out and respected?

Accountability is pretty important, to me at least.

Of course, a lot of the problem is with greed; something with which man still struggles with to this day. Whatever you have, it's just not enough. Well, most people speaking.

As much as I absolutely abhor the NWO that is controlling us now, a One World Government is really in our best interests...on one condition.

That condition being absolute transparency.

This is capable with the internet now.

So here is my plan...inside a digital nutshell.

#1. Give every country the ability to opt in, or out of this program.

#2. All goverment officials literally work for the people, not the other way around, there is no pay disparity between them and the layman. Money is tossed out, but there is recognition made between different technical jobs.

#3. Bills are propsed by governors or senetors and then voted on by the public.

#4. Bills may only have one item on them.

#5. As far as the public goes, a person's proffession, as well as their commitment towards the advancement of humankind, adjusts the impact that thier vote has on a specific topic.

#6. Every person in every nation is given the base needs of sustinence: shelter, food, a free education and a job that corresponds to their abilities.

#7. As stated in #2, money is gone, work is done on a credit basis. Anything beyond what is consumed for shelter, food and clothing is desposited in a spendable account on "luxury" items.

#8. Focuses in the job market rely heavily on Education, Scientific Advancement, Ecological Stability, Arts, and then Entertainment in that order.

#9. Education can be conducted via terminals (home learning) by learning software created by the best teachersin the world. Testing for advancement will be done at various testing centers all around the world.

#10. Consumer goods will be limited in creation, but not by creativity. Research and Development in every field would never see a shortage of "funding" (funding being an irrelevant term, being that money is not real any longer). The general consensus may take part in a tiered voting that ultimately decides what gets made and what doesn't.

#11. An abundance of people means less working hours of the average man. Just because free market and Capitalism drives competion and low prices & creates jobs, that doesn't mean that these jobs are necessary. These can be seen as excess; this process is unnecessary and ultimately as cyclic. The removal of redundant jobs (competing companies), unnecessary jobs (marketing) and obsolete technologies allows more people to work jobs that are needed. Unemployment rate does not exist because everyone is employed in a job that is commensurate to their abilities.

#12. People who wish to opt out of this lifestyle may do so anytime after the age of 18, and will be exchanged for someone from another country who wishes to partake in this lifestyle.

#13. The freedom of speech shall never be removed, inhibited or otherwise infringed upon.

#14. Religion must remain a private affair in that it may not, at any time, be forced upon, leveraged against or used in any manner that affects the free will of another citizen.

#15. The right to vote may never be removed, though one's contributions to society may enable more leverage.

(I can go on, but I ran out of space.)

#5. As far as the public goes, a person's profession, as well as their commitment towards the advancement of humankind, adjusts the impact that their vote has on a specific topic.

While this is no doubt of noble intent by giving people a way to set their influence level above others the potential is introduced for disparity in the value of one persons vote over another. When one persons vote is considered more valuable to the legislature then they pander to that person or group and spend less time addressing the less valuable votes.

#11. The removal of redundant jobs (competing companies), unnecessary jobs (marketing) and obsolete technologies allows more people to work jobs that are needed. Unemployment rate does not exist because everyone is employed in a job that is commensurate to their abilities.

One needs to be very careful removing competition due to its effect on progressing society. If there is only one crew of researches working on say an all-electric alternative to the internal combustion engine or any other one goal they will never work as hard as a crew doing the same task who also wants to be first to release with their project while knowing that there are others pushing for the same thing. Competition really is what drives innovation and discovery and to kill it off would likely be disasterous.

Originally posted by Helig
While this is no doubt of noble intent by giving people a way to set their influence level above others the potential is introduced for disparity in the value of one persons vote over another. When one persons vote is considered more valuable to the legislature then they pander to that person or group and spend less time addressing the less valuable votes.

Trust me, I understand your concerns here. The goal is to strike the balance between the two. The groups that would receive leveraged vote would be people who have been identified as highly qualified to make a more than well informed decision on a situation. When all matters are available to the entire voting public, specialists with leveraged voting is only for that particular field. In the end, you're looking at a very small percentage of the total population with leveraged vote on any certain issue.

The overall goal is to to bring clear, concise and very much factual information about a bill writ to be voted on well before the time to vote to ensure that it is properly understood. I think that if the public were able to take part in a vastly differernt, and legitimate democratic model, they may be more inclined to participate. That money is in no way involved should eliminate certain cases where "pandering" had paid off in the past.

Originally posted by Helig
One needs to be very careful removing competition due to its effect on progressing society. If there is only one crew of researches working on say an all-electric alternative to the internal combustion engine or any other one goal they will never work as hard as a crew doing the same task who also wants to be first to release with their project while knowing that there are others pushing for the same thing. Competition really is what drives innovation and discovery and to kill it off would likely be disasterous.

I think that competition is a great thing. Ideas and competitive markets bring better products. I also think that if we look at what is necessary to get the job done, and what we want out of asthetics, we may be able to strike a balance.

Another thing is that because research and development is directly behind education, I don't see there being any shortages of research teams. As long as the goal proposed is sound and appears viable, I don't see why we couldn't have 4 or 5 times the research capabilites as we do nowadays.

Here's a fun note: The world's population is nearing 7 billion, I believe. The total area of Australia alone is 7,686,850 SQ KM or 1,898,651,950 acres. That turns out to be a 1/4 acre, per person...for the entire world's population just within Australia. The ridiculous amount of resources we have available on earth are beyond vast. We've simply mismanaged them. Focusing on alternative energies and advancing sciences to provide more efficient, more streamlined way of life is a priority. The lies we've told to date really shield us from the great many achievements we could reach if we could only stop fighting, stop hoarding and work together.

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"No money? You mean you don't get paid?"
"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We wish to better ourselves and the rest of humanity."

- Lily and Picard (Star Trek First Contact)

Wouldn't want to lose the video games or internet.

Why aren't teachers, professors, doctors and scientists more sought out and respected?

Why should they be? For the most part they just repeat what they are told to repeat by their superiors. When they do not, they quickly find themselves in another profession. This is actually one thing that Icke says that I agree with: they are repeaters.

Shhhhh.
Become a communist and work your life away for the privilege of surviving.
How many sides of beef or bushels of potatoes does it take to barter for a house? After your mandated production (taxes) are removed, of course.
Silly, you need some kind of universal barter system (money), but for it to work it has to be based on something valuable, and not just paper backed by nothing and printed on a whim.

Listen. Im not stupid. I know the benefits of money can bring convenience, and i dont argue perhaps for a full abolishment of money, but because people act like they are on crack when around money. Just measure your emotional state if you dont have alot, and you meet someone with alot. you go all sicophant typicaly by nature. Money has been equated with wealth, which is sad, A: because money is on a string, as the modern economic state (artificialy induced) shows us.

THe reason we are here, is the worship of cash. God is a jealous God, in many places in any religious text, it says not to use each other, not to charge interest, and not to put money before goodwill, and helping someone else. THe whole reason there are lame loosers in the world is because of money and the people who get lost in its appeals.

That is why I see no difference between a money addiction and a crack addiction.

Originally posted by ahnggk
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"No money? You mean you don't get paid?"
"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We wish to better ourselves and the rest of humanity."

- Lily and Picard (Star Trek First Contact)

And as soon as we can create everything we need out of thin air for free, we can have the same.

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I would rest better in my free house that my neighbors helped build, as i theirs, that all work i do would be to garden, invent, travel..using a thing called..give. Its where you throw money and time to the wind to spend time with another human and aid there cause for a bit.

Money, the practical excuses in favor of it, are in my opinion outweighed by the ultimate practicality, that is nixing the middleman..i.e money. We dont need to slap a label on living freely. And after the last 100 years, humanity should be on the cusp of seeing the context of the actions they are allowed to be driven into by manipulative power, thanks to money.

I am being silly now, its almost one AM here in NYC and I will answer the questions thusly:

Instead of money, lets exchange belly button lint. I some how make it every day and don't know how.

What would you suggest, the barter system?

The only reason gold is worth anything is because its shiny and we like shiney things.

Lets use lead. Its a metal.

Money isn't a convenience. It is the only way to trade for services or things of value.

I'm a lawyer. If you get arrested, and need my help to beat the MAN, what would you do without money? Would you give me a bunch of chickens? What if I don't know how to butcher meat? What do I give the Butcher for his services?

Money is necessary to live in the modern world. Instead of giving up money, lets get rid of electricity or running water.