'How to break through police lines'

reply to post by sinister_scarecrow


oooohhhh your wright , I forgot about that thing.....yup they wouldn't want us to see that being used.

I completely forgot about this earlier when looking at earlier posts.


Re: The Turning off of Cameras.

Right, unless someone can prove me wrong this is a non-issue. Why?

Because...

London is carved up into several boroughs. Example Southwark, Newham, Tower Hamlets, Lambeth, Westminster, Kensington & Chelsea.

Okay, now ExCel is in Newham. Bishopsgate Climate Exchange is in City of London.

Are these areas in Westminster? Er... No.

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Originally posted by Grayelf2009
reply to post by seagull

 

maybe this is the start of the revolution...It just aint the americans losing their freedoms....90% of the world population is getting tired of being lied to and walked on by power hungry spooks. Maybe there plan is too drag those leaders out in the street and send them walking , which needs to be done......

The start is in the tent cities in the US. Remember how Spartacus got started with all those runaway Roman slaves.

reply to post by Grayelf2009


90%? Most people don't care. All they want is for their kids to be fed and clothed, with a roof over their heads. ...and who's to say they're actually wrong?

There's nothing wrong with questioning the status quo, don't get me wrong. Just make sure that the alternative isn't worse. I hear alot of talk about how change is necessary, that the world is run by evil personified, and so on and so forth. What are the alternatives? What changes will bring about the Paradise? Are any of these groups talking about a workable alternative, or is it more of the same "get rid of the evil ones"?

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Grayelf2009

 

90%? Most people don't care. All they want is for their kids to be fed and clothed, with a roof over their heads. ...and who's to say they're actually wrong?

There's nothing wrong with questioning the status quo, don't get me wrong. Just make sure that the alternative isn't worse. I hear alot of talk about how change is necessary, that the world is run by evil personified, and so on and so forth. What are the alternatives? What changes will bring about the Paradise? Are any of these groups talking about a workable alternative, or is it more of the same "get rid of the evil ones"?

Pontius Pilate asked the same question of Christ, with "What is Truth?"

There is a temptation toward cultural relativism, or "whatever is, is right".

reply to post by son of PC

There is a temptation toward cultural relativism, or "whatever is, is right".

You've hit it right there. Who decides what constitutes right, in this case? I don't pretend that everything is just peachy, it's not...however, I have no answers to any of these problems. Since that's the case, I can't really advocate change, can I? Change for the sake of change is not a good thing, IMHO. Then we come to that change...what's good for you, isn't necessarily good for me, that's what make this a very sketchy deal for me, because I'm not hearing ideas/alternatives. Is this making any sense?

After reading the OP and then reading a great deal of the responses, it seems that some people are missing the point. Make no mistake: The Independent is a corporate media voice, regardless of the progressive ideas and stories I have read.

The gist of the article will lead the average reader to believe that anarchists are handing out pamphlets on how to counter the police during a protest. Looking at the language in the last part of the article is slightly misleading:

Speaking after the Put People First march in Hyde Park, London, on Saturday, an unidentified member of an anarchy group told a crowd: "We want to see resistance on the street on Wednesday. If the police are ready for you, go and fight them. If they're not, give them a surprise."

Taken from the original UK Independent article

Why would a true anarchist want to be associated with a group called 'Put People First'? In principle, anarchist already see people as being first and free. Government should be non-existent and would therefore not have to put people first. In defense of a textbook definition of anarchy, it means an absence of government (check Merriam-Webster)... no more, no less. In a world which has grown so much smaller due to technology, people... regular folks like you and me... can have a virtual beer with each other half way around the world. Now that beats the hell out of going to war.

One of these days, and probably very soon, government as an entity will go the way of the dinosaur. People will be able to get along, to live and let live. People will start teaching their children to think critically and keep big hearts. The only way we can move forward is to move together. Why would anyone need a government to tell you how.

In closing, someone had made a rather irksome post about anarchists getting their head bashed by the police. When it comes to politics and government, mainstream thinking has people aligning themselves with schools of thought which end up becoming "more of the same". When I think of the idea of a 'one world government' which seems to be modeled after Hitler's National Socialism doctrine, the grandparents and great grandparents of the Greatest Generation must be spinning in their graves. These people died so that we may be free. As of right now, these governments are getting massive compliance to go along with this highly sophisticated yet very backward plan. We should all be concerned. It is not time for We the People to walk in lock-step, but it is now time for the regular people of the world to be arm in arm. That is the chain with which we should bind ourselves. In a free country, the government is OUR employee. Our employee needs a reprimand.

they are all followers and none has took the stand to lead, this will lead to nothing, but just people getting hurt,

I hope tomorrow brings forth a day of destruction and mayhem on the streets of London.

Sacrifices must be made in order to attain some sense of sanity in this insane country/world we live in.

I only wish there were people protesting against religion and all its evils. Churches, mosques, synagogues and all places of worhsip should be burned to the ground and religion should be forced to take a back seat so the rational logic of science and evolution can prosper.

BRING ON THE FIRE, BRING ON THE PAIN! TOMORROW WILL GREET A NEW FRONTIER!

LET THE BLOOD RAIN!

lol , i was seeing the news about the G20 , and they were interviewing people in london , and a young lady said , "If i had a gun , i would shoot all the politicians , thats all i have to say" and then she walked away.

I smell riots , everyone is protecting the shops , like if a hurricane was coming.

reply to post by The Blind Watchmaker


...and I'm sure you'll be right there with 'em, right?

I know I've asked this before, and I'm sure many of you are getting tired of hearing it, but what in the Hell does this sort of thing, assuming the protestors are stupid enough to do this sort of thing, accomplish? Seriously, advocating violence is going to accomplish exactly nothing, save further entrench those you deem the enemy.

Originally posted by son of PC
The start is in the tent cities in the US. Remember how Spartacus got started with all those runaway Roman slaves.

Spartacus started with a core of a bunch of gladiators who were already likely to die, not a bunch of winos. It was like a pro sports team leading a revolt.

Originally posted by Grayelf2009


Looks like the people are tired of years of peacfull demostrations doing nothing.

You must live in a cocoon or never watch the news. The protests at these economic affairs have been violent for decades.

Violent protestors play right into the enemies hands. When protests go violent nearly everyone in society turns against them which helps out the people the protests are aimed at.

I watched a video from a protest in Europe last night and all the protesters where either children or under 25 and many were dressed like they live in Rescue Missions. What I did not see were any normal working folks. Why? Because we would not be caught dead involved with Anarchist and out of control adolescents who don't even understand their own cause. We know they are part of the problem and most of them are just there for a thrill and are lying about their advocacy. They don't give a damn they get off on rioting and looting. Many are just opportunists hanging around looking for a chance to steal.

Worthwhile people do not destroy innocent peoples property, shut businesses down or engage in violence. If anyone thinks they give a damn about their cause I have a bridge to sell you, just send me a U2U and I'll tell you where to send the check.

Originally posted by The Blind Watchmaker
I hope tomorrow brings forth a day of destruction and mayhem on the streets of London.

Sacrifices must be made in order to attain some sense of sanity in this insane country/world we live in.

I only wish there were people protesting against religion and all its evils. Churches, mosques, synagogues and all places of worhsip should be burned to the ground and religion should be forced to take a back seat so the rational logic of science and evolution can prosper.

BRING ON THE FIRE, BRING ON THE PAIN! TOMORROW WILL GREET A NEW FRONTIER!

LET THE BLOOD RAIN!

Are you completely braindead? what has religion got to do with anything thats a completely un-related topic, do you not realise that rioting is playing right into the hands of the poeple that want it, im going tomorow so i very much dont want anything to happen, I DESPERATELY want change in my country but not like that it will get seriously messy if roiting starts, there are so many people amped for this thing right now

I hope your going to the demonstrations, because if your not then you are doing exactly the opposite of what your post says

as i said i hope you dont have to regret saying something like that, check the news tomorow i would if i was you

reply to post by The Blind Watchmaker


You have got to be kidding. Troll. Mod's do as you will with me

I know i wouldn't mind seeing a politicians head roll. Id gladly give my life if you could all be free of the tyranny and bs, id give it up Jesus style. Huge taxes suck, Rothschild suck, armies needing to exist suck, police forces existence sucks. Dont be afraid of a hit on the chin, it could wake u up more than you know

i know and agree that life should be peaceful etc, but many many times in our history, violence HAS been the answer and HAS solved the problem. From the pragmatic view, getting some heads rolling has almost always upped the steam.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by vonholland]

Wow...I wasent expecting this kind of a response....I love this site.....all the opioins are great and have valid arrguments. It seems though most agree that we need to push back.....I agree that looting trashing the place and the like is negative to the objective. I even had a member send me a note to mention that, there ya go, (sorry I dont know how to edit , im pretty new here) . I don't like violence either (christian faith), but unfortunately that is the only way we are gonna get the bad guys. I guarantee when Jesus returns he isint gonna hold a protest agains Satan to give up his bad ways.

Originally posted by Reading
Are you completely braindead? what has religion got to do with anything thats a completely un-related topic

Religion is a huge part of what is wrong with the modern world, therefore it has EVERYTHING to do with this topic as today and the coming days are a protest for change in order to better our species and enrich our lives.

reply to post by dracodie

I smell riots , everyone is protecting the shops , like if a hurricane was coming.

Given what's happened during the other summits, can you blame the poor guys and gals for protecting their shops?

Has there been a single conference that hasn't had some disruption?

"shoot all politicians" That's a great catch phrase and all, but seriously, what does it accomplish? That's the way you overturn authority, that's probably the way you'd attempt to retain it...have any of you, who advocate this sort of thing, actually thought this through to the end?

The governments always plant moles and mules to stir up violence in peaceful rallies. Protesters should dress up like the police and militia for distractive disguise.