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Your top 5 Best UFO/ET Evidence

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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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There are some claims that there is no UFO/ET evidence. This is patently false as many on ATS will know because they are exposed to evidence all the time here.

According to me, this is the best UFO/ET evidence I have come across and has convinced me beyond a reason of doubt:

I will present that evidence to you

Disclosure project

Here we have hundreds of high level and credible whistle blowers from prestigious institutions like NASA, CIA, NSA, USAF, USN publicly coming out and declaring the US is in contact with ET and has been for decades.
This is the strongest testimonial evidence yet. All have declared they will testify in front of Congress. You simply do not get hundreds of such high level witnesses risking ridicule and risking their well being without there being a solid reason for it. It is not only their own well being which is at stake, their families well being is also at stake. A lonely rancher living out in the middle of nowhere may have reason to give false testimony for fame or money, but not 400 high level witnesses with established careers and lives. If one is going to dismiss such a huge body of testimony from such high level witnesses, one needs a very good reason too.

www.youtube.com...

Phil Schneider

Mr Schneider is my favourite whistle blower so far. I am linking his video briefings, in which you will see this man is highly emotionally charged and passionate. He has had many attempts on his life, he’s been shot and sadly in the end he was assassinated. If you see his videos, you can see why he would be assassinated. He claims to be a geologist and engineer working in underground alien bases, and it is clear he knows what he talking about through his technical jargon. He has a lot of evidence he shares in his talks with him, including the much demanded physical evidence.(However, the properties he describes of them cannot be verified through a video!)





Battle of LA and Roswell

If I had to choose between them, it is is the Battle of LA case which is my favourite. A huge, luminous physical mothership like craft hovering above LA is witnessed by tens of thousands of people, is surrounded by up to 30 search lights, is intercepted by fighter planes and is bombarded up to 1:30 min by artillery, takes direct hits, but remain there. Then slows moves away into the horizon and disappears from sight. This case also has the first recorded government cover-up attempt with conflicting explanations, “It was imagination, it was a weather balloon”

In the Roswell case we see similar conflicting official explanations. The explanation “UFO found” to be retracted and then replaced with, “Weather balloon found” As if officials cannot distinguish between a weather balloon and a UFO? Then to be followed with conspicuous behaviour cordoning of the area, flying in troops from neighbouring states for a “Weather balloon” and confiscating news items collected on it.







Japan Air Lines Flight 1628 Over Alaska

This is my favourite pilot testimony case. I especially love pilot testimony cases because while a witness on ground can only see UFO from afar and thus cannot give an accurate description most of the time, a pilot gets to see it head-on. In this not only does the pilot see multiple UFO’s head on, they are also detected by ground radar, live transcripts of radio transmission were recorded, and the case was officially investigated by FFA.

www.youtube.com...

www.ufoevidence.org...


F-4 Jet Chase over Iran 1976

One of the best documented and investigated cases ever. The Iranian Airforce not only detect a UFO, they intercept it and chase it across the sky. It is recorded on radar, seen by multiple witnesses, and the aircraft suffer EMF effects from it. Thus they were clearly are chasing a physical craft that is unlike any known physical craft possessed by humans.

www.ufoevidence.org...

These are some of my favourite. The evidence is overwhelming. And it makes you think with evidence so overwhelming, and the fact that this evidence is so easily accessible today on the web, why are people still maintaining UFO/ET does not exist? Don’t they realise that is exactly what those who don’t want us to know want? Shouldn’t we instead be pushing for disclosure and get UFO and ET out in the open for public scrutiny. If Phil Schneider is right, our future is not good, and this man was courageous enough to come out and tell us, maybe we should heed his warning. The first step should be to demand full disclosure. The second step is to work on, after we have all the information on the secret structures, dissolving these centralized power structures that have developed without us knowing. Else, like Schneider says we are going to lose our democracy and return to more feudal-like societies.

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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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By the way use this thead to post up your own favourite UFO/ET evidence. This we we can collect a whole compendium of the best UFO/ET evidence according to the members of ATS.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Thank you for your post. However, I would recommend a thread title change before it sinks into oblivion and/or starts getting flamed.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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I am not being rude or arrogant but you should have included the following links



There are more parts to this which i will not post for obvious reasons.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:10 PM
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The video is not showing.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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I am not being rude or arrogant but you should have included the following links



There are more parts to this which i will not post for obvious reasons.


edit: Sorry i seem to have a double post



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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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The first two arguments are what will make many people stray away from the thread. Disclosure is a money making scheme when one goes to their web sites and discovers. Underground bases need facts to back them up if they exist. I know they can and are built, but Dulce is most probably not one of them. (Read my posts in the Area 51 forum about what to look for.)

The other cases are very good, and show there is evidence and mysteries that need solving.

Also, a good skeptic or debunker keeps us on our toes. We have to do the homework, not them. We have to show them what evidence we have and why it is significant. It falls on our laps, not theirs.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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The JAL 1628 case and the Battle of LA UFO cases have been covered here on ATS before, maybe add them to your links too.






posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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One of my favourite pieces of footage... Released by the Russians after the wall came down and before they reallied you don't do stuff like this in public and shut their doors again...
www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Sorry, due to oversight on my part I did not see Gazrok's thread at the top
, and realising this thread was too similar, I've changed it into members giving their top 5 best UFO evidence. So choose only your best.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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A lot of skeptics believe UFOs exist, but they disagree with the conclusions drawn from UFOs. Like conclusions that involve aliens. Many believe this is even disinformation encouraged by the government.

I don't agree, but a lot of skeptics make good, objective points while others seem stubborn and wouldn't believe it if an alien was right before their eyes.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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And this is where a thread like this will become problematic.

You invite people to post what they believe is hard evidence when it's not, the above video is just that:

dagmar.lunarpages.com...

As for the MIG gun-camera footage, I was initially enthusiastic. The script indicated it was duly declassified footage from the Ministry of Defense. But in view of the show's lack of honesty, its authenticity must be questioned. Again, no researchers in Russia or elsewhere ever heard of this footage prior to the TNT broadcast. Declassification procedures in the U.S. and Russia are always accompanied by copious correspondence. It's fairly simple to show official evidence of declassified documents or material. I challenge the producers to put it on their website if they have it. Until they do, the gun-camera footage must also be considered dubious.


I have also read some of the footage is from an F16 jet...clearly NOT a MIG.


Cheers



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by kidflash2008
reply to post by Indigo_Child
 


The first two arguments are what will make many people stray away from the thread. Disclosure is a money making scheme when one goes to their web sites and discovers. Underground bases need facts to back them up if they exist. I know they can and are built, but Dulce is most probably not one of them. (Read my posts in the Area 51 forum about what to look for.)

The other cases are very good, and show there is evidence and mysteries that need solving.

Also, a good skeptic or debunker keeps us on our toes. We have to do the homework, not them. We have to show them what evidence we have and why it is significant. It falls on our laps, not theirs.


I disagree on pretty much all of your points, sorry.

The mention of disclosure project is not going to turn people away, considering the Youtube clip has a near 5 star rating and a lot of endorsements. I don't think all people share your opinion on the disclosure project, certainly I don't.

Nor am I exepcted to work overtime to convince the skeptics. I am simply presenting the evidence, and then it is up to the skeptic to puruse it or not pursue it. Again, I am simply presenting the evidence that has been best for me and convinced me.

Also there is no mystery. I think we have to stop treating these issues like they are some mystery that will take years and years of research to solve. It is blatantly obvious what UFO's are and what our governments are doing, if you use your reasoning.

Anyway these are my humble opinions.

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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by FireMoon
 


And this is where a thread like this will become problematic.

You invite people to post what they believe is hard evidence when it's not, the above video is just that:

dagmar.lunarpages.com...

As for the MIG gun-camera footage, I was initially enthusiastic. The script indicated it was duly declassified footage from the Ministry of Defense. But in view of the show's lack of honesty, its authenticity must be questioned. Again, no researchers in Russia or elsewhere ever heard of this footage prior to the TNT broadcast. Declassification procedures in the U.S. and Russia are always accompanied by copious correspondence. It's fairly simple to show official evidence of declassified documents or material. I challenge the producers to put it on their website if they have it. Until they do, the gun-camera footage must also be considered dubious.


I have also read some of the footage is from an F16 jet...clearly NOT a MIG.


Cheers



Well there's disinformation and disinformation isn't there?.

The footage released to the media of the MIG gun camera was from a whole rake of footage of various events that the Russian military were selling off as the KGB relaxed it's controls. They needed to make cash simply to keep much of their air force flying so knowing Westerners were liable to pay for such footage they were happy, at the time to provide it.. To the best of my knowledge the tin the film came in the stock numbers and general accompanying paperwork all tallied with them being real.

So whoever was dismissing the film as fake for the reasons you quote would seem to have little or no knowledge of what was actually going on in Russia in the aftermath of the collapse of the Communist state.

the truth is, you could buy a tank from the Russkis if you had the money and drive it home. In fact some friends of mine in the *Mutoid Waste Company* actually bought 3 armoured personnel carriers from the eastern block to use in their shows. The paperwork was minimal. In fact it was such a mess the British, American and French secret services had to go in and buy the complete output of the factory that manufactures Semtex , in order to stop it falling into the wrong hands...

That given, the idea that reams of paperwork would have been required to see the release of the film is just totally and completely untrue... Ie someone has been spreading disinformation about it all or was just compeltely ignorant of the reality of the situation.

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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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Oh and to the best of my knowledge the F16 footage was from a MIG shadowing a F16.... amazingly enough, the Russkis use to do the same to us as we did to them.... British pilots regularly use to wave to their Russkis counterparts as they shadowed them..



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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I do not think the government will disclose anything anytime soon. I think the majority of the disclosure sites are there for taking in other people's money.

I did not mean for you personally to do all the research. That statement was meant for UFO researchers as a whole. The skeptics are not required to disprove, we are required to prove as we are the ones making the claims. That is how science is done.

Yes, there still is a mystery. What are the objects, and which theory is correct? Is it the ET hypothesis? Are they from another dimension? Is it time travel? Any answer is pure speculation. Until a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and tells us their intentions, one cannot know what the true answer is.

I respect what you are stating, however I think the work is far from finished.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
... According to me,(excellent authority!) this is the best UFO/ET evidence I have come across and has convinced me beyond a reason of doubt:
Disclosure project
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This is the strongest testimonial evidence yet. All have declared they will testify in front of Congress.

(parenthetical appreciatingly added)

Increasing "Disclosure" is undeniable. If you take all the ATS "chatter" we may have an idea something is up, but may not know the substance.



Don’t they realise that is exactly what those who don’t want us to know want?


In my opinion, "they" want us to think just that! What if all the snippets of info that have been gathered on UFOs, ETI, disclosure, and 2012 were meant to be discussed?

What if "they" want to see how Americans and the World react to, communicate and think about the concept extraterrestrial intelligence and visitation?

What if "they" were testing the water for years and years, gradually turning up the temperature, to see how we'd react if we got into "really hot water?"

I think governments want to disclose UFO and ETI information as part of a long-standing plan, coming to conclusion right now:

Almost 60 years ago, the United States was in the midst of an unprecedented UFO “flap,” with sightings coming in from across the country, and an extraordinary “invasion” of the nation’s capital, Washington, D. C. The year 1952 saw the largest percentage up to that date of “unexplained” sightings despite investigations by military, intelligence and private organizations.

Perhaps not so coincidently, 1952 was the year the world entered the nuclear fusion age (led by the U.S.) with the development and detonation of Project Bravo, the first “hydrogen bomb.” (1952 + 2 generations (60 years)=2012!)

Could this period have also marked the beginning of a new era?

Have we lived in an era culminating today with advancing “disclosure” initiatives by countries around the world?

Even in the United States (although the US is not yet among the nations advancing official disclosure), public recognition, and acceptance, of the UFO phenomenon is undeniable. Popular television programs and “Special Reports” address the issue; modern communication networks now support the gathering, discussion and examination of the issue on message boards, blogs, and forums, of which ATS is undoubtedly the leader.

Careful and objective consideration of this and other “conspiracy” topics leads to a potentially stunning conclusion:

Earth has been, and is being, prepared for imminent public contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence from a benign culture intending to offer and share knowledge, insight and opportunities that represent the dawning of a new era for mankind.


In anticipation of your suggestion, last week I posted an outline for this thought here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


(I can read your mind.)

Deny ignorance.
jw



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:34 PM
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I do not think the government will disclose anything anytime soon. I think the majority of the disclosure sites are there for taking in other people's money.


It is possible, there is nothing really free in the world. Healthcare charges you for medicines, but that does not mean that we don't take the medicines or that the medicines have no use. The disclosure project is offering a service, and if they charge money for that I have no problem with it, because that generally how things are done in the world. Anyway I have not had to spend a single penny to watch the videos of the Disclosure project. Even on their official website they give them away for cheap costs.

I think you are overlooking that that the disclosure project has a huge group(400) highly credible witnesses. Whether they make money or do not make money does not change this fact that this is the best testimonial evidence on record to date.


I did not mean for you personally to do all the research. That statement was meant for UFO researchers as a whole. The skeptics are not required to disprove, we are required to prove as we are the ones making the claims. That is how science is done.


I have covered this point in an earlier thread. No, science does not prove things, science only makes observations and explains those observations using a hypothesis, and then tests that hypothesis through experiments. But as there is no such thing as a conclusive experiment, it can never prove anything to be true. All that science can do is falsify, never prove.
Similarly, ufology cannot prove anything either and nor can it reasonably be expected to. Like science, ufology can only make observations and then hypothesisze to explain those observations.


Yes, there still is a mystery. What are the objects, and which theory is correct? Is it the ET hypothesis? Are they from another dimension? Is it time travel? Any answer is pure speculation. Until a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn and tells us their intentions, one cannot know what the true answer is.

I respect what you are stating, however I think the work is far from finished.


If we accepted this philosophy then we would not have science, period. We would be stuck in permenant skepticism. However, there is no such thing as a permenant skeptic. Everytbody accepts some assumption in the end. Even Hume, the greatest skeptic of them all, had to accept certain assumptions. We can only work with what we have and then explain it with the best explanation that can explain it. As it so happens we can explain the UFO with the ETH, so there is no need multiplying quantities. It may turn out what we have explained by the ETH are from other dimensions, time travellers later, but at this moment we don't have enough information to conclude that and thus they cannot be part of our explanatory framework. We can only work from the available data and the only hypothesis which is consistent with the data is ETH.

So there is no mystery. We have enough evidence to go out to Congress/Parliament and demand disclosure.

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posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child

I think you are overlooking that that the disclosure project has a huge group(400) highly credible witnesses. Whether they make money or do not make money does not change this fact that this is the best testimonial evidence on record to date.
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So there is no mystery. We have enough evidence to go out to Congress/Parliament and demand disclosure.


I think that while every other country so far has 'disclosed' certain files and information, they've held back quite a lot to be trickled out as people digest what's in the public arena thus far.

As for the U.S., the "Disclosure Project" was conducted with the government's benign neglect. Theu could have stopped or debunked any or all of it, but didn't.

Disclosure is a process that is going on right now. It is being ramped-up slowly and piecemeal, but it is happening, although unofficially.

No one, anywhere, is going to confirm the ETH (but then it wouldn't be an "H" anymore) until they are satisfied that the public is ready. Not UFOlogist, but the citizenry and their churches.

The Roman Catholic Church just last year gave its "blessing" to the ETH, others will follow.

When the time is "right" full disclosure will be forthcoming, regardless of outcry and demands. We are on a schedule.

"UFOs+NWO+Disclosure+2012=Alien Contact"
www.abovetopsecret.com...


jw



posted on Mar, 31 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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I have no problem with people making money. I do have a problem with the huge fees some of these disclosure groups are charging, and then they make people sign forms to not talk about anything. That is not disclosure to me, it is greed. Information of this type and importance needs to be shared, not kept in a tight little group. Not only is that selfish of them, but is ultimately destructive and criminal to the world if they know how to solve some of the major problems facing us today.

Science is used to prove the hypothesis. Why do they do the experiments to prove the hypothesis. While it is true Ufology is harder to prove, science can put cameras on hot spots and check the physical evidence that is available. I agree we have some very good evidence that does start to add up, but we need more to get the scientific community on board.

Science is there to help solve mysteries. UFOs are still a mystery as there are many different hypothesis out there as to what they are. If the scientists get involved properly funded, they could then rule out or make a case for each hypothesis.



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