Reactions to Obama

Originally posted by XXXN3O
I have a pretty simple question here that no doubt will tickle some peoples temper but it is just a question.

No doubt many of you will know christians or people who claim that they are true to their faith etc. I ask this question as my partner is a christian but does not attend church, preach her views on anyone or tell me what to believe as I hear so many people on this site telling others christians do.
The first time she saw Obama before he even spoke she said he was going to be the president as he is the anti christ. Naturally I just about spat my soft drink over the wall in shock at a statement like that, asked how she could just say that and I got the reply that it is just truth that needs nothing to back it up when you see him for what he is if you truly believe in god.
I did some reading into the bible which is a common topic I speak about these days because of this. It is said that a true christian needs nothing other than a look at the anti christ to see right through it.

My question is, have any of you had a simlar experience be it family, friends, coworkers or even yourself feeling or mentioning this??

I am not a christian but the evidence that I can see in this guys actions and the coincidences surrounding him are making me question a lot more faith related topics.

Cheers in advance in the hope that people might approach this with a little maturity.

[edit on 30-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

I have a Christian source that tells me Obama for a FACT is a human/"alien" hybrid. He says this is really why there are so many questions about who his real father is - that he doesn't have a human father. He says "aliens" are actually fallen angels and clones of fallen angels, and that they do a lot of gentic tampering with humans, including "abductions". One reason is to try to find out the secret of the human soul, which angels do not have. Being half "alien", Obama has no soul. Perhaps this is why he gives off some very bad vibes to some people, especially Christians. I am not sure what to make of what this source has told me, but I'm certainly keeping an eye on Obama.

Originally posted by projectvxn
If he's the Anti-Christ then he is doing a piss poor job of it. The Anti-Christ is supposed to fix everything to get the people to love him more and turn themselves and their soul over to him.

So far he is screwing everything up and appears to be just as stupid as George W. Bush. But I could be wrong..One of the governments' best kept secrets is just how effective and efficient they can be while appearing to be incompetent.

That was a pretty good point on the contrary.

Some would say that he is doing great though, some even on this site.

Originally posted by telemetry
reply to post by XXXN3O

 

Sure,
There are a few acquaintances of mine that do look at him as he is the "Antichrist" and all the other things rolled in-between and judging from the reactions and post here I stand in the minority here as well.

So yes,
I support him as a human being. And I voted.
There might be some things done/to be done that I might not agree with but I seriously fail to see how some people can rationalize that this man is the bringer of the end times as some do. Although some healthy debate is needed sometimes.

Consider this:
If Obama is truly the antichrist and the end is nigh... then according to the bible the "rapture" is coming soon and you will all be whisked away to wait it out right?
If fire and brimstone begins to fall, and the mountains shake and rumble under my feet when I run to the hills, then I will be worried. Just don't try and U2U me mmkay.

If the time comes, and I notice an extreme drop in the zeal and fanatics here.. then I will know something is really wrong with the world and the "rapture" has begun.
That, or we have actually made headway as a people.

Take that as you will.
As my family motto says:
"In time"
T-

[/rant off]
[carry on]

[edit on 09/3/30 by telemetry]

Well if this is the truth and a rapture does happen.

Perception would make the difference.

Many would believe it was UFO abductions etc.

Makes me wonder if there is anything that can truly prove or disprove god.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Bassman86
My Dad(RIP) when I was younger was a very devout Catholic, as I, different from the rest of my family, am also becoming. He spoke a lot of Armageddon and the Rapture and it scared me a lot as a young kid but I never really looked deeper. I do wish he was still alive, I think I would have some very serious conversations about this... I actually feel bad for myself, as well as my family, for slipping away from our religion that we were brought up on... but that's beside the fact.

I saw awhile ago about Obama and the Anti-Christ and I really thought about it. There are 2 books in the Holy Bible that speak of the Anti-Christ and it seems to fit Obama very well. I read the book of Revelations the other evening and here is my opinion of the Anti-Christ:

NWO... Revelations speaks of a Beast with 7 legs and 10 horns... I believe the 7 legs are the banks, or at least the owners of those banks, supporting the 'Beast'. I believe the 10 horns could be 10, or possibly 5(2 horns a head), people, or maybe countries. The main leaders of those countries that are trying to support the NWO. I know the USA and UK would be 2, but I don't know about the others, depends on how the horns are given...

Someone may have already mentioned this, but I didn't want to read 96 posts before posting this. This is my summation from Revelations. It's my theory, I'd like to hear your opinions of it, maybe help me figure out a bit more...

If this is true.

The ten horns could be the EU there are currently 28 nations but only 10 of the 28 are full members with voting rights.

www.weu.int... (click delegations on the site for info)

The United States is an ally of the European Union.

I am unsure of the 7 Legs.

This passage could just describe the antichrist figure in terms of original appearance as well.

Originally posted by opal13
No, but there is something about the man I don't like and never did. When he first came on the scene at the start of the primaries, just seeing his picture made me feel sick to my stomach and I still get such a negative feeling about him, even more so now that he is in office and see the people he's putting in positions around him. One big ICK. Anti-Christ? Maybe, never really thought about it, but I do think alot of what the bible predicts is coming to pass. Either way, the man is a fraud and as about as dishonest as they come and I don't think anything he says or does is for our benefit. I know all politicians lie and tell the people what they want to hear and campaigns are full of empty probmises, but with this one, how could so many people believe his rhetoric, as we all know, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I still can't watch tv when he is on as I get such a sick feeling.

BTW, good question! I am wondering how many people that were so pro-Obama are feeling differently now.

[edit on 3/30/09 by opal13]

well theres a thread somewhere here showing how his speeches backwards state evil things..

Little off topic, but seriously, has anyone else sat back an thought, wow, this is like a real bad dream? Watching as America, the America we all grew up with is disappearing. I mean we have BO taking on the roll of a king dictating to two private companies that you'll do what I say or you get no money. Yet you don't see him demanding the heads of the unions that put Chrysler an GM in the spot they're in. You don't see BO demanding the heads of all the banks an ect, that he bailed out. Why is the auto industry getting grilled and the banks get a free ride?
(Venting mode over- Resume normal programming.)

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by Bassman86

NWO... Revelations speaks of a Beast with 7 legs and 10 horns... I believe the 7 legs are the banks, or at least the owners of those banks, supporting the 'Beast'. I believe the 10 horns could be 10, or possibly 5(2 horns a head), people, or maybe countries. The main leaders of those countries that are trying to support the NWO. I know the USA and UK would be 2, but I don't know about the others, depends on how the horns are given...

The ten horns could be the EU there are currently 28 nations but only 10 of the 28 are full members with voting rights.

The 5 relates to Masonry and secret society of MAN. The 5 points are shakras which DEMONS can use as control points or entrance points. WE ARE ALREADY DEAD. Thats right were already dead, because the dead world has no time relativity, only space. The ten are the 2 hemispheres of powers (secret) joined under anti-christ, or lucifarian masonry. Christ will kick there asses, be rejected, they will deceive the world, Christ will again kick there asses and become the capstone of the order, tranfiguring it not transforming it as the devil, or fallen man can only achive.

Originally posted by projectvxn
If he's the Anti-Christ then he is doing a piss poor job of it. The Anti-Christ is supposed to fix everything to get the people to love him more and turn themselves and their soul over to him.

So far he is screwing everything up and appears to be just as stupid as George W. Bush. But I could be wrong..One of the governments' best kept secrets is just how effective and efficient they can be while appearing to be incompetent.

What a perfect set up.

orignally posted by mastermind77
The 5 relates to Masonry and secret society of MAN. The 5 points are shakras which DEMONS can use as control points or entrance points. WE ARE ALREADY DEAD. Thats right were already dead, because the dead world has no time relativity, only space. The ten are the 2 hemispheres of powers (secret) joined under anti-christ, or lucifarian masonry. Christ will kick there asses, be rejected, they will deceive the world, Christ will again kick there asses and become the capstone of the order, tranfiguring it not transforming it as the devil, or fallen man can only achive.

Are you basically saying that you believe we are in hell?

Just trying to clear my understanding up with regards to you comment saying we are already dead.

Where did you learn of this?

[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

well the problem is is that alot of people see a problem what a bunch of people rallying behind one person and believing in him.

I'm not christian and i don't see him as an anti-christ. And if someone just answers with quote from the factious bible, they are just fear mongering. All i ask is for people to back up their claims.

O'bama is a smooth and persuasive politician and nothing more or less.

Jeez, get a grip, folks.

Obama is not the Anti-Christ, he's just a guy. A guy that got handed probably the worst situation as a new president in the history of the US.

He is trying to retrieve the US from the pit that Bush left us in, and he's got many irons in the fire.

His solutions may or may not succeed. It is entirely possible that we as a nation are already too far gone to recover, without regard to what anybody does about anything.

We've got enough troubles to deal with without introducing a mythologically based set of more troubles.

I only have to offer this........It is just now almost April. How long has Obama been president?

Are we all so gun shot over Bush, that we have to critically analyze a guy who has only been in office a few months?

People post on ATS, because they believe there thoughts or actions are a method to the madness.

Give the guy at least 6 months before you lynch him, or tar and feather him, for goodness sakes!

Remember, andything is an improvement over Bush. Give the guy a few minutes to prove himself before calling out a lynch mob, for Goodness sake!

reply to post by Blanca Rose
"Remember, andything is an improvement over Bush."


Really? When President Bush left office, he left only a 1.6 trillion debt for his whole term. BO's been on office for a little over sixty days and he's put us tens of trillions of dollars further in debt, now he has his up coming budget with the price tag of over six trillion, an this is suppose to be an inprovement over President Bush? He's forced a public company (GM) to get rid of their CEO, forcing Chrysler into a partnership with fiat, something no President's done. Where is his demand for the CEO's of the banks he bailed out? Funny how they get a free ride an the auto industry who employ thousands have to beg an plead.

reply to post by Blanca Rose


I believe the following are some reasons for the furor over Obama. These are my opinions, I do not insist anyone agree with them:

1 - We are living in a collapsing society. This collapse includes both economic and social factors. It has been going on for 30 years or more, but in the wake of the Bush administration, it is becoming obvious to more and more people. Bush did not start this collapse, but the gross corruption and incompetence of that administration accelerated it. And people are starting to get scared.

2 - All politicians are subject to higher scrutiny. I guess we can thank Bush for this, and it is a good thing to have happen. After the nature of the Bush administration - corrupt, incompetent, probable war crimes - all politicians are under tighter scrutiny than was the case.

3 - Obama is, as he puts it: "not of the same pedigree" as any other US president. I believe his color is a significant factor in the fear many hold of him. Most deny this.

4 - Obama is on the wrong "team". There is a small minority of vocal individuals that will criticize Obama no matter what, because he's not on "their team", i.e. Republican. The economy could be going great guns, Bin-Laden turned himself in and fetal stem cell research has produced a cure-all for all types of cancer, and this group will continue to criticize him.

5 - Obama is bucking the economic model of unrestrained capitalism, which many people immediately think means he is a socialist or communist. This in spite of no evidence to that, and the proven failure of unrestrained capitalism as an economic model.

Originally posted by spellbound
You are quite rude but that's what aussies are llike so I forgive you - I really meant that I would like to meet your partner and you said fat chance - rude or what?

I am a woman btw - not a lesbian lol.

until you said you were a women I took it as you were wanting to meet her like you would a partner/bf/gf......Maybe it was your wording or something.

Originally posted by opal13
No, but there is something about the man I don't like and never did. When he first came on the scene at the start of the primaries, just seeing his picture made me feel sick to my stomach and I still get such a negative feeling about him...I still can't watch tv when he is on as I get such a sick feeling.

It's called racism, don't worry...you'll get over it.

Originally posted by Simulacra

Originally posted by opal13
No, but there is something about the man I don't like and never did. When he first came on the scene at the start of the primaries, just seeing his picture made me feel sick to my stomach and I still get such a negative feeling about him...I still can't watch tv when he is on as I get such a sick feeling.

It's called racism, don't worry...you'll get over it.

That is a very low blow.

Very shallow.

Especially on a site like this that stands for denial of ignorance.

With some you have a point but not with that particular post especially.



[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by spellbound
You are quite rude but that's what aussies are llike so I forgive you - I really meant that I would like to meet your partner and you said fat chance - rude or what?

I am a woman btw - not a lesbian lol.

until you said you were a women I took it as you were wanting to meet her like you would a partner/bf/gf......Maybe it was your wording or something.

If you saw my partner it would probably make you want too as well

Common misconception though, judging a book by its cover is an all too often trait these days.



[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
reply to post by Blanca Rose

 

I believe the following are some reasons for the furor over Obama. These are my opinions, I do not insist anyone agree with them:

1 - We are living in a collapsing society. This collapse includes both economic and social factors. It has been going on for 30 years or more, but in the wake of the Bush administration, it is becoming obvious to more and more people. Bush did not start this collapse, but the gross corruption and incompetence of that administration accelerated it. And people are starting to get scared.

2 - All politicians are subject to higher scrutiny. I guess we can thank Bush for this, and it is a good thing to have happen. After the nature of the Bush administration - corrupt, incompetent, probable war crimes - all politicians are under tighter scrutiny than was the case.

3 - Obama is, as he puts it: "not of the same pedigree" as any other US president. I believe his color is a significant factor in the fear many hold of him. Most deny this.

4 - Obama is on the wrong "team". There is a small minority of vocal individuals that will criticize Obama no matter what, because he's not on "their team", i.e. Republican. The economy could be going great guns, Bin-Laden turned himself in and fetal stem cell research has produced a cure-all for all types of cancer, and this group will continue to criticize him.

5 - Obama is bucking the economic model of unrestrained capitalism, which many people immediately think means he is a socialist or communist. This in spite of no evidence to that, and the proven failure of unrestrained capitalism as an economic model.

This is the thing though.

Look at it this way.

Imagine some bright light appeared in the sky that world watched from there doorsteps (hypothetical)

Christians = Jesus
Athiests = Aliens
Muslims = Allah
Satanic worship = Satan
Government = terrorists
(Generalist statement not meant to offend anyone not mentioned )

From what I have read in some posts it seems that it all boils down to personal perception based on belief.

Correct me if I am wrong.

I would love someone to actually prove that this might be totally wrong for it seems nobody really can if you get me.



[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
Jeez, get a grip, folks.

Obama is not the Anti-Christ, he's just a guy. A guy that got handed probably the worst situation as a new president in the history of the US.

He is trying to retrieve the US from the pit that Bush left us in, and he's got many irons in the fire.

His solutions may or may not succeed. It is entirely possible that we as a nation are already too far gone to recover, without regard to what anybody does about anything.

We've got enough troubles to deal with without introducing a mythologically based set of more troubles.

The thing with this is, you are basing this on the tangible reality of the situation and assuming no alterior motive.

1) Why accept a job like this if you dont believe you can sort it?
2) If he does fail it will prove this whole religious thing to be false with him and I for one will not subscribe remotely to anything like it again and I have never before. I am still on the fence but everything I look at is proving the theory correct. It would be silly to just deny things because you simply do not believe them would it now. That is ignorance.

Those things worry me which you should be able to see.

I am not an American or a Christian but I follow as much as I can with regards to knowledge and proof.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by XXXN3O]