It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Saddam's secret arsenal

page: 1
0

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 2 2003 @ 08:23 PM
link   
www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common

Saddam Hussein's senior bodyguard has fled with details of Iraq's secret arsenal.

His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush's claim there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war.

[Edited on 3-2-2003 by William]




posted on Feb, 2 2003 @ 09:02 PM
link   
Yep Underground Tunnels

As far as Chinese assistance though they were probably Chinese moslems not acting under the authority of that goverment.

[Edited on 3-2-2003 by Toltec]



posted on Feb, 2 2003 @ 10:41 PM
link   
I'd like to read this story but the link doesn't work and I can't seem to find any information on either the Herald Sun or BBC websites.

William, would you please provide another link?

Thanks,
Deep



posted on Feb, 2 2003 @ 11:38 PM
link   
Saddam's secret 'Chernobyl' radiation bomb

SADDAM HUSSEIN built and tested a doomsday weapon designed to mimic the effects of the Chernobyl disaster. Iraqi scientists designed a radiation bomb that could be fired from the Supergun to spread a cloud of lethal zirconium dust over Middle Eastern cities. Details of the top-secret project have been revealed by British Foreign Office sources, among them the current chief weapons inspector for the United Nations. The project was uncovered when a UN team hunting for chemical and biological weapons visited a remote arms testing site in Iraq's western desert in 1995. They were astonished to be told of the existence of the radiation bomb, but were asked not to reveal details.

Story link - infomanage.com...

_____________________________________________

Experts Predict Iraqi Nuclear Arsenal; Amount Uncertain

Saddam Hussein almost certainly has a nuclear weapons capability, in addition to extensive chemical and biological arsenals, say former intelligence experts familiar with Iraqi weapons programs. The question, they say, is whether that capability is limited to small ``dirty bombs,'' in which conventional explosives are packed into something compact like a suitcase and detonated to spread toxic radioactive debris over a relatively small area, or whether Iraq has a full-fledged atomic bomb. Whatever Iraq's nuclear capability, to experts there is no question it has pressed ahead with chemical and biological weapons. The CIA report said Iraq's chemical arsenal probably includes mustard gas, sarin, cyclosarin and VX nerve agents.

Meanwhile, its biological program is larger and more advanced than before the Gulf War, and includes such agents as anthrax. After the head of Iraq's military industries defected in 1995, Iraq admitted it had produced more than 30,000 liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents. Iraqi officials admitted to U.N. inspectors the program involved finding ways to launch these agents by missile.

The inspectors concluded Iraq was trying to minimize its efforts and likely had produced two to four times what it was acknowledging.

Story Link - www.tampatrib.com...

_____________________________________________

There is no doubt the Pentagon has far more intelligence on Iraq than it has released. It will be used strategically when the timing is deemed most propitious for the Bush administration's plans. Saddam's senior bodyguard has fled from Iraq with details of Saddam's secret arsenal.

His revelations come the day the UN inspectors report to the Security Council whether they have found a smoking gun that will trigger war. Now hes at the top of Saddams kill list. But there is no way Saddams own assassination unit the Hamaya Khasa can get to Mahmoud. He is now protected by a team of Israeli agents.

William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam's arsenal, said Mahmoud's information is "the smoking gun". "Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam," Tierney said. Tierney, who has high-level contacts in Washington that go to the White House, said the information we publish today on Mahmoud's revelations "checks out, absolutely checks out".

Abu Hamdi Mahmoud has provided a list of sites that so far the UN inspectors have not visited. They include:

An underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad.

A Scud assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea.

Two underground bunkers in Iraq's Western desert. These contain bio weapons.

Story Link - www.rense.com...

_____________________________________________

Saddam's Arsenal: From Chemical Weapons To Nuclear Programme

"Cheat, retreat. Cheat, retreat," was the inspectors' description of the Iraqi tactics, intended to avoid punitive military strikes by America.

"International law? UN resolutions? Disarmament? They would have none of it," Mr Butler recalls in a book on his Iraqi experience. "They wanted the freedom to sell oil, to travel and to trade without restrictions. They wanted, above all, to hold on to their weapons of mass destruction. All other topics merely bored and annoyed them."

The Iraqis' main chemical development and production complex at al-Muthanna, largely destroyed by the allies in the Gulf War, was dismantled and closed, still reeking with the fumes of mustard gas. The inspectors also oversaw the destruction of Iraq's biological weapons plant at al-Akam in 1996, one year after Iraqi officials finally admitted, after four years of strenuous denials, that they even had an offensive germ warfare programme.

Several gyroscopes the main component of a missile's guidance system fished out of the river Tigris on the Jordanian border in 1995 demonstrated that the Iraqis were attempting illegally to increase the range of their missiles.

Story Link - www.freerepublic.com...

_____________________________________________

Secrets of Saddam's hidden arsenal

A dossier on Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical warfare capabilities was drawn up in March by the Cabinet Office's joint intelligence committee, chaired by the former MI6 officer John Scarlett, after intense discussions within the intelligence community about what should be published and how much speculation it should contain.

Biological

UN weapons inspectors found that the Iraqis had weaponised anthrax, botulinum toxin and aflatoxin. The Iraqis admitted hiding their material in caves and in tunnels.

They also carried out research and development work on other agents such as ricin (a highly potent toxin) and animal and plant agents. Iraq has also admitted working on Clostridium perfringens, a bacterial weapon that causes gas gangrene, a condition in which the flesh rots.

Examining Iraqi records, Unscom came to the conclusion that the amounts of anthrax, botulinum, gas gangrene and aflatoxin were much less than the capacity of its germ warfare laboratories. Iraq claimed it had run its weapons labs at less than full production capacity. The inspectors concluded that Iraq still has at least 157 bombs and 25 missile warheads filled with germ agents, although those warheads would have a limited shelf-life.

Baghdad has claimed that one of the products made at its newly rebuilt Fallujah complex, west of Baghdad is castor oil for use in brake fluid. Castor beans can also be used to make ricin.

Chemical

The Iraqis admitted manufacturing agents including the nerve agent sarin and mustard gas. They had weaponised chemicals and had hundreds of tons of mustard agent in missiles, artillery and rockets. Much of this was found and destroyed.

But in its final assessment of the Iraqi chemical programme Unscom said Iraq had failed to account for at least 3.9 tons of VX nerve gas - one of the most deadly nerve agents - as well as 600 tons of ingredients to make it. Iraq said it had destroyed the material after the war but apart from a few fragments of warheads bearing VX traces, no hard evidence of this was found.

Last year August Hanning, the German intelligence chief, claimed that Iraq was developing new chemical weapons and that "German companies apparently delivered important components for the production of poison gas" to an Iraqi weapons plant at Samarra.

In early 2001, the CIA reported that Iraq had rebuilt two chemical plants at Fallujah, which had been used to produce chemical and biological weapons before the Gulf war. Iraq has said the plants are being used solely to manufacture pesticides.

Nuclear

Germany's intelligence agency, the BND, which has specialised in tracking of Iraqi purchases of dual-use technology, believes that President Saddam's nuclear weapons programme is still in business. Mr Hanning, said this year: "It is our estimate that Iraq will have an atomic bomb in three years."

Gary Milhollin, the head of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, told Congress last year that he believed Iraq had "all the elements of a workable nuclear weapon except the fissile material needed to fuel it".

Most experts believe that President Saddam's lack of weapons-grade uranium or plutonium is the main obstacle to an Iraqi bomb, and that the process of producing it is so laborious that the west could monitor his progress.

The International Atomic Energy Agency reported at the end of 1998: "There were no indications to suggest that Iraq was successful in its attempt to produce nuclear weapons... or to suggest that Iraq had produced more than a few grammes of weapons-grade nuclear material."

But the Iraqi leader could short-circuit this process if he could acquire the material on the international black market, although there is no evidence that he has done so.

President Saddam assembled a substantial team of nuclear weapons scientists before the Gulf war, and the evidence suggests it remains together. The only significant defection was that of a senior engineer, Khidhir Hamza, who slipped out in 1994.

Former inspectors say the Iraqis could be working on warhead components and could even assemble some (ie all the non-nuclear components such as electrical firing circuits, the high-quality steel explosive lenses which focus the high explosive to produce the critical force to create nuclear fission) along with the high-grade explosive needed.

In 1999 it emerged that the Iraqi government had imported six "lithotripter" machines (used to shatter kidney stones without surgery), which contain high-precision electronic switches that could also serve to trig ger a nuclear device. Suspicions were raised further when Iraq ordered 120 extra switches as "spares".

It is unclear whether Baghdad ever got hold of them, but the order was a clear sign that Iraq continues to work on nuclear weapon design.

Missiles

The Iraqis possess the artillery and rockets to deliver chemical weapons and have engineers and scientists still in place to develop and produce more, according to former UN inspectors.

The Iraqi capability of medium-range missiles (the Al-Hussein, based on the Russian Scud design) is very limited. Most of the missiles were found and destroyed. These missiles have a range of more than 400 miles and a 500kg payload.

A small number - and a quantity of major components that could be assembled into a missile - may be hidden. In 1998, Unscom believed that Iraq still had nine ballistic Scud-type missiles whose whereabouts were unknown. Some analysts say these missiles were probably hidden and Baghdad cannot be sure they will work as they are untested.

Satellite photographs in recent months have shown Iraq's attempts to rebuild many of the weapons and missile factories destroyed in Operation Desert Fox in December 1998. Among those being refitted is the al-Taji missile plant.

Story Link - www.guardian.co.uk...(/b)
_____________________________________________

Saddam's laboratories of death are capable of producing up to 200 tons of the deadly VX nerve gas, a brutal and vile poison that can kill in seconds with a dose of just one milligram, according to a new report by international weapons experts. The experts said that "the Iraqi side continues to exhibit a lack of transparency in certain areas. Therefore, the retention of a VX capability by Iraq cannot be excluded by the UNSCOM international expert team."

Story Link - www.tabloid.net...

_____________________________________________

Saddam's Secret Strategy:The Threat of The Mass Martyrdom

Despite Iraq's decision to allow the return of weapons inspectors, military planning continues for a possible invasion of Iraq, while analysts try to anticipate the potential reactions from Iraq's alleged mad leader. A newly issued report, has outlined possible Iraqi responses, but has overlooked a two very plausible, potentially deadly and hard to counter possibilities.

"If the US and its allies wage war on Iraq, Saddam Hussein could order chemical and biological weapons to be unleashed - potentially directly into Western or allied cities. Additionally, an invasion might actually increase the likelihood of terrorist access to and acquisition of Iraq's chemical and biological assets," states a report by Jane's Terrorism & Security Monitor magazine.

"During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam authorized commanders of his missile forces to launch biological and chemical weapons at Israel if US-led coalition forces had marched on Baghdad," claims Andrew Oppenheimer, author of the report. "Presumably, if the US were to invade Iraq to enforce a change of regime, Saddam could give such apocalyptic orders again."

Assuming it's true that the Iraqis actually have operable chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear (CBRN) weapons, the Iraqi leadership has a number of options, if US forces invade Iraq and should they enter Baghdad and threaten to destroy Saddam Hussein's regime.

1. Threaten to, or release CBRNs against invading US forces
2. Threaten to, or release CBRNs against Israel
3. Threaten to, or release CBRNs against western or allied cities
4. Threaten to, or release CBRNs to terrorist groups for their use
5. Pre-deploy CBRNs against strategic targets
6. Threaten to, or release CBRNs against the Iraqi population


Story Link - home.earthlink.net...



posted on Feb, 3 2003 @ 01:00 AM
link   
Saddam's bodyguard warns of secret arsenal

02feb03

SADDAM Hussein's senior bodyguard has fled with details of Iraq's secret arsenal.

His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush's claim there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war. Abu Hamdi Mahmoud has provided Israeli intelligence with a list of sites that the inspectors have not visited.

They include:

AN underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad;

A SCUD assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea;

TWO underground bunkers in Iraq's Western Desert. These contain biological weapons.

William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam's arsenal, said Mahmoud's information is "the smoking gun".

"Once the inspectors go to where Mahmoud has pointed them, then it's all over for Saddam," Tierney said.

Tierney, who has high-level contacts in Washington that go to the White House, said the information we publish today on Mahmoud's revelations "checks out, absolutely checks out".

Mahmoud was a mem ber of the elite unit that protects Saddam.

It is called the Murasiq Qun the "Inner Circle".

He was known as "The Gatekeeper".

Mahmoud is a muscular Saddam lookalike often photographed standing behind Saddam when he is seated, or to his left when on the move.

Last week, Mahmoud was being debriefed at a high-security base in Israel's Negev Desert.

Ariel Sharon, the country's hard-line prime minister, has only allowed snippets of Mahmoud's sensational claims to be shared with the CIA and MI6.

"Sharon intends to shatter the growing anti-war movement," a source close to Mr Sharon said.

"He plans to call all those European leaders who are wavering to let them know how Saddam has continued to fool Hans Blix and his weapons inspectors."

Mahmoud's revelations include locations of five bunkers buried beneath man-made sand dunes.

Stockpiled in the bunkers are warheads identical to the empty shell cases found two weeks ago by the UN inspectors.

Mahmoud said those shells were on their way to be refilled and stored in the bunkers.

A transcript from his debriefing includes:

"Saddam's weapons of mass destruction are also concealed in a tunnel complex deep beneath the sewers of Baghdad and in an underground complex in Ouja, to the north of Tikrit.

"The complex was built five years ago with help from Chinese engineers.

"The entrance to the site is through a house in Tikrit. It is the home of one of Saddam's cousins and is more than half a mile from where the weapons are stored."

In another excerpt from his debriefing, Mahmoud boasts: "I was inside the innermost circle where Saddam eats and sleeps.

"I was among the handful of bodyguards closest to him.

"Very few people are allowed close to Saddam.

"Many of the TV images you see of him were taken years ago. Most people now only speak to him over the phone. He usually calls them.

"If they have to call him back with information he wants, it is passed through his sons (Uday and Qusay) or (Deputy Prime Minister) Tariq Aziz.

"All those close to him have codes, which they use to access the outer circle. But even they can only come so close to Saddam before there is a cut-off point the Inner Circle. Even Tariq Aziz is checked to see if he is carrying weapons.

"Saddam knows fortunes are being offered to have him assassinated."

Saddam's paranoia increased after Uday, his eldest son, narrowly escaped assassination when gunmen riddled his car with bullets in 1996. Uday was partially paralysed and uses a wheelchair.

To avoid falling victim to even his own bodyguards, Saddam is a walking arsenal.

"He has concealed guns all over his body," Mahmoud said.

"He also has panic buttons to press if he even suspects somebody is about to attack him."

Israeli intelligence sources have hinted that the deal with Mahmoud included smuggling his family out of Iraq.

Mossad agents have done this before.

At the start of Saddam's reign of terror, they persuaded an Iraqi pilot to fly his Russian fighter to Israel after spiriting out his wife and children.



Herald Sun



posted on Feb, 3 2003 @ 01:37 PM
link   
Where O where are the board's left-wing nuts on this thread to defend Saddam and call Bush a war-monger/liar????



posted on Feb, 3 2003 @ 11:18 PM
link   
I'd like to hear more about what this bodygaurd knows, I havent seen any news stories about this on any American news stations.



posted on Feb, 3 2003 @ 11:52 PM
link   

Originally posted by Toltec
Yep Underground Tunnels

As far as Chinese assistance though they were probably Chinese moslems not acting under the authority of that goverment.

[Edited on 3-2-2003 by Toltec]


Not so the Chinese have been engaing with trade with Iraq, including miliatry technology. I believe the Chines supplied the Iraqi's with fibre optics for their Air Defence Network. The main reason for this would be to divert US militrary power from the Asian region thus diluting there effectiveness. Make no mistake the Chicoms are the main threat, they think long term ( decades ), everything is calculated to achieve a certain goal which may be 20 years down the track.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 05:20 AM
link   
ABOUT 6 MOUNTHS AGOS, FRENCH DST ARRESTED 3 PERSONS IN POSSESSION OF NUCLEAR COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL, IN PROVENANCE OF EX-USSR.

CLIENTS POTENTIAL :
MAYBE BINLADIN,
SURELY SADDAM



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 05:24 AM
link   

Originally posted by MT69
Where O where are the board's left-wing nuts on this thread to defend Saddam and call Bush a war-monger/liar????


LOL, I still think Bush is a warmonger and a liar, you still don't get it. If it was a US bodyguard telling the world that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks (which he did) you'd laugh and tell us that these same sources aren't to be trusted. Did you read more articles from those websites ? LOL You warmongers take every single word against Iraq or Saddam for truth, no matter who said it. If anyone tells something about your own evil government you'd say it's bull. That's why you people won't win this war, you don't know how to stay realistic and see the things like they are, you are blind and see the things like you want them to be.

I'm with the real Americans, they oppose war, they know that war doesn't solve anything, in fact it'll make life of Americans more dangerous. They do love America and want it clear from warmongers.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 05:32 AM
link   
That's the way Tigeris, keep talking BS. All I can say is that you're lucky other people will defend your way of life. It's quite obvious that you have read nothing on the current world situation and maybe couldn't understand it anyway.
I am wondering what do you think the US should have done about Afghanistan ? Be honest, dont't parrot your BS, think about it.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 08:58 AM
link   
"All I can say is that you're lucky other people will defend your way of life. "

Thats twice I've heard that argument today.

how exactly does the US protect my way of life, and please inform me how my priminister siding with Bush in this conflict has done anything but increase the chances we might be attacked.

Thanks for the help.
but no thanks.

oddly enough I believe thats the prevelant feeling in Iraq at present.

thanks for the offer but we'd rather live here in relative peace hating your guts than have you carpet bomb our hospitals again.

thanks for the offer, but please fu~k off.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 09:15 AM
link   
I've seen the story, but what I haven't seen is any proof that the man is telling the truth.

We've had this scenario before, if you'll remember -- only last time it was a Russian scientist who wanted to get out and be protected by the US and be coddled for what he could tell them. So he concocted some improbable tales about "ebola-pox" and threw in some goodies about the Russian programs.

He proved to be a hoaxer.

I'm skeptical, but willing to be convinced if the arms inspectors march into one of those locations and turns up a real cache of something (like a set of missles already loaded and ready to launch.)



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 09:38 AM
link   

Originally posted by Byrd
I've seen the story, but what I haven't seen is any proof that the man is telling the truth.

We've had this scenario before, if you'll remember -- only last time it was a Russian scientist who wanted to get out and be protected by the US and be coddled for what he could tell them. So he concocted some improbable tales about "ebola-pox" and threw in some goodies about the Russian programs.

He proved to be a hoaxer.

I'm skeptical, but willing to be convinced if the arms inspectors march into one of those locations and turns up a real cache of something (like a set of missles already loaded and ready to launch.)


If the Russian scientist you're talking about is Ken Alibek, then you are sadly mistaken. He was the head of the Soviet Unions bioweapons program and was the person who invented the world's most powerful form of Anthrax. He wasn't a hoaxer, do a search on the net, there's plenty there.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 05:15 PM
link   
MS at present there are 100,000,000 Moslems living in China, what you believe is interesting but what is it based on? Exactly what type of air defense network does Iraq have?


As a German Military expert once stated "Yes Chinas technologies are developing but so is that of the United States". 20 years from now the US will still have the advantage (and in all probability) to a greater extent than it does now.

Byrd new evidence was found today, at the same time Saddam was telling press he has no WMD. Proving what this bodyguard has said is true will require time. The US is allowing for that time.

Lupe a desert storm was fought and the weapons that Saddam had he claimed were destroyed during the war. He never provided proof of that and in fact through out weapons inspectors when they started to look into allegations that those very same weapons were hidden in the mosks (sp). None of those missiles can hit the US but where you are sitting they definitely can. If you feel that the US has increased the threat to you is it because you acknowledge these weapons exist?

As long as these weapons exist they are a threat you and to your people. Saddam Hussein is the kind of person who would use them all he needs is to think no one will act.


[Edited on 5-2-2003 by Toltec]



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 05:21 PM
link   
Lupe - Your posts here are like a 5 year old's posts.

"Blah, blah blah.
blah....blah.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. blah, blah Blah....blah."


You surely cannot be a college graduate or else the UK's society is in deep trouble.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 06:49 PM
link   
The Clinton administration authorized the transfer of a fiber-optic air defense system to China the same one the Pentagon claimed helped thwart U.S. air attacks against Iraq.
When U.S. warplanes struck new Iraqi air defense sites around Baghdad, Pentagon officials were mum in naming the country that sold the new air defense missile system to Saddam Hussein.

The Washington Post revealed that China was assisting Iraqi air defense, an allegation promptly denied by Iraq. According to the Post article, Chinese engineers were helping Iraq to install a network of fiber-optic communications and computers designed to track and destroy U.S. warplanes. (The export also violates U.N. weapons embargoes against Saddam.)

President Bush's national security adviser confirmed last Thursday that Chinese engineers were indeed helping Iraq.

The real story behind Iraq's high-tech buildup remains untold until now.

The Chinese fiber-optic air defense system in the Iraqi desert is in fact of U.S. origin. In 1994, Chinese spymaster Gen. Ding Henggao obtained the advanced fiber-optic system through his contacts inside the Clinton administration.


THE REST



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 07:51 PM
link   
MS the primary reason we did not attack Baghdad during Desert Storm was due to Russias very recent change in government. At the time Russian officials were uncomfortable with the idea of America controlling land so close to there territory. It was decided then that controlling Iraq would be counterproductive to the development of the Russian Republic. Which only very recently has stabilized to the point that dealing with Iraq is feasible.


This accusation is questionable and the source is highly dubious. I am not a supporter of Communist China but by the same token I am not prepared to accuse that government. Of doing something the information I have access to, confirm they have nothing to do with. For the record I will state again. That any access to Chinese technology that Iraq had access to was clandestinely gained. As a reuslt of Chinese Moslems, having access to same technology and sharing it with the government of Iraq. This issue involves members of the Chinese military as well as some in political power. But in relation to the principal authority in Beijing they knew nothing.

Fiber optics do not make steath bombers visible sugest you check your facts.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 08:14 PM
link   

Originally posted by Toltec
MS the primary reason we did not attack Baghdad during Desert Storm was due to Russias very recent change in government. At the time Russian officials were uncomfortable with the idea of America controlling land so close to there territory. It was decided then that controlling Iraq would be counterproductive to the development of the Russian Republic. Which only very recently has stabilized to the point that dealing with Iraq is feasible.


This accusation is questionable and the source is highly dubious. I am not a supporter of Communist China but by the same token I am not prepared to accuse that government. Of doing something the information I have access to, confirm they have nothing to do with. For the record I will state again. That any access to Chinese technology that Iraq had access to was clandestinely gained. As a reuslt of Chinese Moslems, having access to same technology and sharing it with the government of Iraq. This issue involves members of the Chinese military as well as some in political power. But in relation to the principal authority in Beijing they knew nothing.

Fiber optics do not make steath bombers visible sugest you check your facts.


1. The primary reason that they did not attack Baghdad was because of a fragile arab coalition which would have broken up if Baghdad was taken ( also the UN resolution only provided for the removing of Iraqi forces from Kuwait). Also they still needed Saddam in power as a counter weight to Iran.

2. There is no way Chinese Muslims would have any positions of power in the Chicom Government, allowing them access to this equipment. The Chicoms are waging a small war with the Moslems in the NW of the country. Bombings are a weekly occurance. Even if they did have access, how could they smuggle thousands of tonnes of high tech equipment and set it up without the Chinese Government knowing ? As for the accusations the sources seem fairly solid, what have you read which disproves this ?( as you have cliamed ).


3. What should I check my facts about stealth bombers ? I never said fibre optics could detect them, although there are several radar erchnologies which are promising. So, with regards to that, check what you have written before posting.



posted on Feb, 4 2003 @ 10:44 PM
link   
Again MS there are 100,000,000 million Moslems living in China, tunnel technology is actually quite old. Access to it in all probability is not that limited. Fact of the matter is the Colombian communists do incorporate it in their strategies. Did not know that you personally could account for every person prepared to support Moslem interests in China. While I cannot I would point out that efforts by Chechen rebels to take the Belly of Russia would have involved assistance from territories in China related to the NW.

Your argument hinged in the issue of some technology Iraq had, which could be used to circumvent an attack on Baghdad during desert storm. Fact of the matter is no such technology exists. Ergo no technology in the early 1990s could have been used to interfere with Americas desire to take Baghdad. As far as your theory on the fragile Arab coalition it is also irrelevant; those were Scud missiles being fired at Saudi Arabian land.

The primary concern was Russia, which formed its current day government, less than a decade before Desert Storm. Several articles were prepared to that effect and as well were indications that factions. Interested in returning to Communism were gaining momentum amongst the populace. Because of the fact the US would gain control of land so close to its borders. As a reuslt the decision was made not to go further.

Bill Clinton is not a traitor nothing given to China would impair American military interest. The sources you have presented portray the opposite as possible and that makes it irrelevant. Your sources imply that Bill Clinton, former President to the United States of America. Sold to a country which is his day made threats against the US technology, capable of circumventing American interests and that is stupid. A president can't even get away with bugging a political opponents offices in this country, or for that matter getting laid without someone leaking information to the press (that includes John F Kennedy).

Bottom line Saddam Hussein attempted to create a coalition between Chinese Moslems, Chechen Rebels
And Saudi Citizens (9/11). For the purposes of controlling the worlds oil supply. As well as generating hostilities between the Russian Republic, Beijing and the United States. Hostilities which could very well have resulted in a full scale and uninterrupted Nuclear War. Chechen rebels attempted to take control of the Belly of Russia, in relation to whom would re-supply them that would be anyone living in the NW of China.

What I can tell you is this MS WW III has begun The United States of America, The Russian Republic, The Peoples Republic of China as well as the European Union are basically all on the same side. We are an enlightened people and this age prima fascia evidence that this A$$&@!! who is in charge of Iraq almost started a Nuclear war is clear. What will be established beyond any shadow of doubt is that this Ja(&@$$ could have the capacity to try it again.

China has the largest population in the world it is also a closed society for reason, which as of today is not public information. That they are engaged in military activities against Chinese Moslems in the NW presents the issue that some cause exists which supercedes maintaining peaceful relations. I would submit that this cause is related to what is presented above. As well as what was presented in a prior post presented in another thread called Oil by me

It is apparent MS that you and I are engaged in a debate. In relation to debates let me point out that I consider them a blast. As far as I know Russia does make the claim it has technology capable of detecting Stealth Bombers. But as far as fighters with the same configuration. Is for that matter the very top-secret cruise missiles which use the same technology. They are out of gas. This is because stealth technology does not mean a plane cannot be detected. The image is small and akin in relation to the bomber being about the size of a bird. There are differences between the flight patterns of birds and those of stealth bombers, which can be detected. So basically in principal ascertaining that difference (mostly by computer which is not exact) is possible. As far as the stealth fighters and stealth cruse missiles those signatures on radar are equivalent to insects.

What are your thoughts?



new topics

top topics



 
0

log in

join