Islamic Law's Influence in America a Growing Concern

Originally posted by DJones
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

The extremists just take it out of context, refuse to realize that 1300 years have passed and the world is different, and change it to their own needs.

One thing you need to understand about extremist Muslims is that time has not changed for them. Remember what happened to Afghanistan when the Taliban took over, they banned the use of modern technology and brought that country back to the “Stone Age”

Never Expect an Extremist Muslim to change

Originally posted by TheDustman
So your saying they shouldn't be allowed to do this because they have members of their religion who take it to extremes? The only reason I can think of moderate, rational people not being allowed to preach and join the religion of their choice is if becoming a Muslim turns you into a terrorist the second you touch a Quaran. In which case, touching a bible makes you bomb abortion clinics and hate jews, right?

We are talking about Shariah law, which is part of Islamic extremism.

Under Shariah Law men must kill their daughters, wives, or female relatives if for some reason they dishonor their family.

Under Shariah Law the honor of the family, and the men is more important than the lives of the women.

reply to post by TheDustman


Yes indeed.

reply to post by biomehanika



Under Shariah law Muslims are ordered not to change their extremist views, and never to allow any change in Shariah Law.

To those Muslims that follow Shariah Law, the rules in Shariah are written in stone, and must be followed to the letter.

reply to post by biomehanika


Then your saying that either everyone is just a terrorist waiting for a reason to blow themselves up, or that Islam itself is what makes people into terrorists? If its neither, please elaborate.

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Just wondering what you think of Jesus camps? While yes they're not going to blow themselves up, they'll see nothing wrong with dropping a bomb on Muslims.

Just me but I'm all for letting people say what ever they want to say. It is societies job to teach them how to think for themselves so they can determine for themselves what is the right path. So trying to stop them from coming in to me seems unconstitutional, I think we'd be far better off fixing our education systems so they can come and not have any success.

Originally posted by TheDustman
reply to post by biomehanika

 

Then your saying that either everyone is just a terrorist waiting for a reason to blow themselves up, or that Islam itself is what makes people into terrorists? If its neither, please elaborate.

I am talking about extremist Muslim not the Moderate. And I repeat I Respect Islam and all Moderate Muslim

Usually, the converts joining the Islamic faith, have never shown themselves to be converting to something extreme.

Most people take what these Muslim clerics say with a grain of salt.

Even though, many-a-time, these clerics are given positions of power (E.G: Mosques, TV, Radio, etc..) Muslims still take what they say, with a grain of salt.

I bear witness to that.

America has nothing to worry about.

There is nothing to fear.

However, all these wars must end. Let's hope Obama can keep his promise, but at the moment, it doesn't seem so.

reply to post by DJones


Any form of Extremism whether in Islam or Christianity should be condemned.
Education is most certainly the most effective weapon against Extremist not war which can only fuel it.

reply to post by biomehanika


I have always believed that education is the best solution to everything so I agree.

Forget who said the Shariah is only for extremists, never sat right with me.
en.wikipedia.org...

There are just different schools in which some extremists allow for some messed up things to happen. So saying the Shariah is coming into America does not equate to radical Islam.

Education, and not implementing Shariah Law.

Changing education alone, and allowing Shariah Law will do nothing.

Take a look at the honor killings in Europe, which have been growing, and in the U.S., there are Muslims that want to implement Shariah, and even thou there have not been too many in the states, one honor killing is too many.

As an example read about the honor killing by the Muslim tv entertainer, who was supposedly trying to improve the image of Muslims, and murdered his wife by cutting off her head under the Honor Killing code.

These were moderate Muslims, right? "A prominent Buffalo area Muslim businessman who founded the BridgesTV network to improve the image of Muslims in the U.S. has been arrested and charged with murdering his estranged wife – by beheading her at his company’s office in Orchard Park, N.Y., on Thursday."

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...


BTW all she did was to file an order of protection against her husband, who obviously was an abuser.

Muslims who follow Shariah law abuse, torture, and even murder their wives, daughters, or female family members.


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reply to post by DJones

Agree with you. The coming of Shariah into America may not equate to Radical Islam but it most certainly open the doors to it.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

I've been waiting for that example to pop up. Whose to say that he wouldn't of done the same thing if he was atheist. People kill cheating spouses every day. I have heard nothing of him appealing courts to drop the case due to Shariah law. Again there are multiple schools of thought within the Shariah, it does not instantly relate to honor killings and what not.

Originally posted by DJones
Forget who said the Shariah is only for extremists, never sat right with me.
en.wikipedia.org...

...and you give wikipedia as a source for what Shariah law is?....

Do you not understand that to Muslims who follow Shariah law, even if they have to kill their wives, it is well, normal, and they are just following the law of Shariah?...

Those who follow Shariah do not see it's codes, and laws as anything bad...

Even thou"sometimes" I use wikipedia, in many topics wikipedia is biased, and does not tell the whole truth...

Ironic that you try to dismiss what Muslim women say about Shariah law by responding from a biased wikipedia link....

Forget those people that want to stay ignorant, and would rather believe a politically correct link, than those who have experience, or knowledge on Shariah Law....


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Originally posted by biomehanika

Originally posted by TheDustman
reply to post by biomehanika

 

Then your saying that either everyone is just a terrorist waiting for a reason to blow themselves up, or that Islam itself is what makes people into terrorists? If its neither, please elaborate.

I am talking about extremist Muslim not the Moderate. And I repeat I Respect Islam and all Moderate Muslim

We agree that moderate Muslims are not a problem, then.

However, the extremist Muslims that follow Shariah law are a small minority of a minority, and do not have enough voting power or influence to actually 'take over' a country. Passing a few local laws in sleeper elections is a far, far cry from something to be concerned about.

I'm also curious about your equation here. More Muslims means more terrorists, but since the majority of Muslims denounce Shariah law, that would logically mean that the Muslims recruiting on the streets are using Shariah to recruit people. Am I correct so far?

Originally posted by DJones
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

I've been waiting for that example to pop up. Whose to say that he wouldn't of done the same thing if he was atheist. People kill cheating spouses every day. I have heard nothing of him appealing courts to drop the case due to Shariah law. Again there are multiple schools of thought within the Shariah, it does not instantly relate to honor killings and what not.

Because he admitted he did it as an honor killing...

His wife dishonored him in front of the community by filing and receiving the order of protection against him...

That's how we know....

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


That is what I was taught by my Muslim teacher in a politics in Islam class, that was just reinforcing what I already knew. If I had my textbooks I could start quoting from there but alas I sold some, and the other ones are not with me. What exactly is wrong with the page? Do you disagree that there are multiple versions of the Shariah?

Originally posted by cognoscente
As a Republic immigrants should be expected to adopt American values without exception. Multiculturalism is overly democratic and ultimately destructive.

How can one be overly democratic?? You want to put a limit on democracy? What a scary thought... that's how we ended up where we are now.

Originally posted by biomehanika
reply to post by TheDustman

 

I don’t have anything against Muslims and I respect their religion. My concern is the growing Extremism in Islam. We have extremist in other religions, but the topic of this thread happens to be on Muslims.

sorry but i don't respect a religion that makes women second class citizens, or a religion that makes you go down on your knees 5 times a day. in fact religions in general feed on fear, do not promote critical thinking skills, ostracizes people that do not believe as they do. i find it absurd that everybody is afraid to criticize muslims, but they constantly condemn western countries for their loose morals, and commercialism. any religion that wants to keep the same rules, policies, and dictates from centuries ago, implies that people cannot decide their own destiny and the way they want to live in the modern world. religions have to keep people ignorant and fearful to keep control...AND THAT IS WHAT I OPPOSE THE MOST.

reply to post by TheDustman


What I want to say is that more moderates are converting to extremism. They are not using Shariah to recruit but the injustice that many moderate Muslim are facing with this current war.