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Life is NOT precious...

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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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To note, I will just ignore posts dismissing my comments simply because I am in high school and picture me as naive. To simply say my opinion is not valid in your eyes because of age is arrogant. Just like someone twice your age saying your own views are incorrect. To the 50+ year olds here, that does not apply to you


I will make a comment about the "We are in it together" idea.

Yes, we are all individuals. But do we not also have control over each others lives, share the economy of things, education, stores, etc? Could also be applied to a larger scale about country, traveling with one another, yadda yadda.

We have our choices, but they ultimately affect everyone around us. So, in that respect, we are in it together.

I have come off harsh. But still hold these thoughts true.

The idea that some of you would forgive a murderer just because the conditions in which they grown up in is absurd to me. It is no excuse for it.

The idea that some of you would WANT to pay for a 40 year old who has not had a job for lets say 5 years is absurd.

So, without questioning me further about age and how I have not seen life, can you defend those people and actually change my mind on the matter?

I am here to learn but many opposing posts to mine have not given me a reason to change thought on the matter at hand.

Lastly, I will reiterate that by no means am I grouping "poor people" into the group mentioned in the OP, all I said about that is that the majority of people in which I am talking of, do reside in such a group.

If life is so precious, wouldn't you be out to get rid of those who wish to hurt it in the first place?

As I said, it is a chain of respect on both sides. Whoever breaks it first, gets the punishment.




posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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I would point out that desperation, arising out of a scarcity paradigm (which requires money to function) creates a great deal of the "bad" behavior we see within the more impoverished groups in our society. That drugs are illegal adds to the money element that causes desperate behaviors.

Add to that that a larger number of the children in these segments are unwanted - and unwanted children are very seldom raised with love. They are very often neglected and abused. And studies show that neglected and/or abused children have a very high likelihood of being sociopathic or psychopathic.

What would happen if we could remove money - the love of which is the root of all evil? What if every one of us could live in abundance?

If we did, we could do what we wanted, go where we wanted, and spend our time only with those we like to spend time with (no more having to put up with that sh###y boss, for example).

Yes, life is precious - when it has been nurtured with love and not twisted into a caricature of a human being.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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...but I still feel that some of you are getting the idea that I want to exterminate the poor, or drug users, etc, which is not the case.


so, you're actually going to cop to wanting to exterminate somebody?

this is almost funny

almost



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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Ah, another thread dripping with Utopian delusions. My friend, the gears of the world's cuckoo clock lock teeth and turn in a much more mundane way.

I can't believe someone would even contemplate coupling 'Benevolent' and 'Government' in the same sentence. I mean it just sounds like you're longing for fascism. Maybe we need a supreme omniscient leader to come and tell us how to live?

Maybe he can set the unicorn ship of perfection on course to paradise island? I mean a few million might die, but it's worth it in the end (from a Utilitarian viewpoint) right?

The reason Capitalism isn't working right now is because the Federal Reserve Bank has been methodically destroying our country's economy for decades (at least in the United States) via inflation, deflation, and manipulation of interest rates. This has created bubbles, which eventually burst and destroy wealth en masse.

Capitalism isn't a perfect system, and a perfect system doesn't exist. Socialism, Communism, or any form of Fascism are certainly not the answer.

I know when I was in high school I was a bit of a dreamer. I would sit around and ponder about life in a perfect society;

A society with no crime, no weapons, gumdrop trees, and happy fist-pumping workers ecstatic in their servitude.

Then I woke up...

The government is NOT your friend, and is certainly not benevolent. Men are corrupted easily in positions of power, and governments should be given the least amount of power necessary to function.

A government with the kind of power you're talking about would almost certainly end horribly in a fascist blood-lust nightmare (IE: Adolf Hitler). The reason I say this is because any time a government is given the kind of power you're advocating, it ends up in:

1. A bloody revolution
2. Mass murder
3. Genocide via eugenics (or physical force)
4. Ideological and physical slavery

So, while it is nice to sit and ponder, and dream of a time when we can all live as one in an 'Imagine' paradise, that time is most certainly not now.

The government isn't your friend. The government is not to be trusted. The government should be given the least amount of power necessary to function and serve the people. The government is NOT benevolent.

Stop looking to the government and look to yourself.

Also, I'm sure the cyanide-fanged elites would salivate like gaunt hyenas over comments like yours.

[edit on 30-3-2009 by JipStix]



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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If life is so precious, wouldn't you be out to get rid of those who wish to hurt it in the first place?


you mean - like you? :-)

if you want people to take you seriously - and forget about your age - you need to take other people seriously

there have been a lot of questions asked of you since you opened this thread - what's up with the not responding?



As I said, it is a chain of respect on both sides. Whoever breaks it first, gets the punishment.


:-)



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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life is precious only to those that find it precious, you are valuable to your own family members, you may be valuable to your society as a productive adult and you may be valuable to the government if you make it to the ranks of politics to work for you fellow human beings.

But when it comes as just another human being in the big pool of life around the planet. . .

Guess what . . . you can always be replaceable and in another countries nobody will never find out how much value you hold outside your circle of friends, your social group or your government . . .

Sad but true.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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Life is not precious, but it is a right. We are all doomed to the same fate, death. To think it okay to hasten anothers journey is wrong. Even if that person has committed murder. It is wrong to ask another to end their life and to carry that burden for the rest of their journey.


 
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posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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Yes I will cop to killing someone?

Do you know what the death penalty is? All the people in support of that cop for extermination of a life as well. Sorry if the words I use are to strong.

I have answered everyones questions. Not the rhetorical ones obviously.

So instead of luring me into further useless interrogation, if you have anything constructive to argue, throw it at me.

About our current government and it becoming fascist...

I do not see how killing all murderers off and knocking off the abusers of welfare into the streets to starve is fascist.

For those who do think all life is precious...why not go and help those who have not been given a fair shot at life? Bring them in to your life and get them back on their feet.

Before preaching your ideals, at least practice them. And yes, I would feel like I'd be doing a service to the world to end a murderers life.

Life is not fair, and I doubt it will ever be.

But those who try to make it fairer should be rewarded, while those who do the opposite should be pushed, and if they break - so be it.

Of course prevention is the number one cure to anything, but what do you do with the ones who are to far in to go back? You know my answer.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by landing1993
Life is not precious, but it is a right. We are all doomed to the same fate, death. To think it okay to hasten anothers journey is wrong. Even if that person has committed murder. It is wrong to ask another to end their life and to carry that burden for the rest of their journey.



Do you believe it is okay to punish those who break this rule?

Ex: Man 1 kills Man 2.

Should Man 1 be killed in return?

I think it sets a precedent for future offenders, and ultimately would lower the unwanted actions.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Not the rhetorical ones obviously


obviously - those questions are too hard

you've missed a few actual questions though - I'll bet you could find them if you looked



...But those who try to make it fairer should be rewarded, while those who do the opposite should be pushed, and if they break - so be it...


be careful what you wish for



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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I do not see how killing all murderers off and knocking off the abusers of welfare into the streets to starve is fascist.


Yea... I agree. It's most certainly a staple of a (supposedly) free and open democratic republic to adhere to Hammurabi's Code (even when proved ineffective), and to 'starve' people.

I mean, that really does sound great doesn't it? Murder & starve!

We need to rewrite our national anthem to include this fantastic little tidbit of savagery;

"oh say can you see
all the dead welfarees
and the murderer's hang
from newly planted trees."

What do you think? I think it's sensible, practical, and moving. Maybe we could include it on the new dear leader's patch?

It could go right above 'Execution by Hunger,' which is a book you should probably read when you've shaved your savage Neanderthal beard and hatched from your primitive thought-shell.

And my prior comment was mainly directed at your Canadian Counterpart, who had the wherewithal to use the contradictory words 'Benevolent' and 'Government' in the same sentence.

[edit on 30-3-2009 by JipStix]



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Sounds good to me.

Maybe those killers and people who do nothing but leech off of everyone else will finally have some incentive to get their act together.

Then again, if you are willing to take whatever share of taxes for those who are on the same side of the fence as me, you can have it your way.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist

THOSE people, should be gotten rid of. Or, without beating around the bush, killed.

We as a species are in it together and IMO, our goal is to better our lives. People like that do not help.

People included in that group are those who abuse welfare, etc. Any person who takes more out of the system than putting in.


Who decides who dies? You?

I came from poverty. I was as at one time addicted to drugs. Now I own a business, employ a half dozen people in good paying jobs and personally raise nearly a half million a year for various charities. Under your evil system I would have been dead long ago.

You should study the meaning of the word Megalomania as it applies here.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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What if your Father dies tomorrow? That's what happened to my Family.

Then what if you go from middle class to dirt poor? Happened to me.

Will you shoot yourself? Remember nobody controls their lives fully. Anyone can and does go into poverty through no fault of their own.

Many upper middle class people are addicted to prescription drugs and take drugs for every little thing. What is in your Parents medicine chest? Do you know?

What if you kill the next JFK or MLK. MLK came from poverty.

You are in fact putting forth the same idea's Hitler used. Are you a groupie perhaps???



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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I read the opening posting to this thread and got this far:

"But when someone, anyone, harms another person - they lose all respect from me. When I hear of a murder or a beat down, their own life (in my eyes) has been degraded. They are no longer helpful to society (if they ever were in the first place), but a parasite. A leech who encourages black market trade along with harming those who actually help. THOSE people, should be gotten rid of. Or, without beating around the bush, killed. "

This, specifically, is what makes me scared of you:

" THOSE people, should be gotten rid of. Or, without beating around the bush, killed."

I could read more into this thread but I am revolted and frightened by your eye-for-an-eye way. I am scared. Whatever your intentions, scaring people with such talk should make you think about either rewording what you write and/or rethink your position because you can scare people with that kind of talk...and I do not believe your goal is to drive people away, is it? I mean, you did start this thread.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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I'm curious. You fit the classic definition of a Psychopath. Are your Parents and school aware? Somebody needs to alert them to this before you act on your thoughts.


Source

Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken...

...If you are born at the right time, with some access to family fortune, and you have a special talent for whipping up other people's hatred and sense of deprivation, you can arrange to kill large numbers of unsuspecting people. With enough money, you can accomplish this from far away, and you can sit back safely and watch in satisfaction. [...]

Crazy and frightening - and real, in about 4 percent of the population....

...What distinguishes all of these people from the rest of us is an utterly empty hole in the psyche, where there should be the most evolved of all humanizing functions. [Martha Stout, Ph.D., The Sociopath Next Door]



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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You fit the classic definition of a Psychopath


or - he just enjoys pushing buttons



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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How could anyone say that life it self does not hold value? Life is a one time shot. To end it prematurely is a very sad thing.

Bit then again I am for the death sentence, if the crime applies and if there is no circumstantial evidence. A close friend of mine, his cusien was put to death for a crime that he was not involved in.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 06:08 PM
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A young, eloquent sociopath.


Please take no offense, but that's how you come off, and I read your post seven times. Please take the time out to get to know some less fortunate souls and walk among them. Sure, that harmless bum will probably just buy some MD 20/20 with a $5, but if it won't kill you to spare a $5 once in a while, why not make someone's day? Who are we to judge the value of someone elses life? Listen to some homeless people's stories, some of them are like prophets that walk among us...drunken prophets, but none the less wise. I came up hard. I didn't have all the advantages you did. I only could attend a little college. The military was my path. I met so many interesting people, and changed my mind and view from ignorance on so many things. There was a young mechanic that used to work in our motor pool that probably wasn't the brightest tool in the shed, but the way he sang spiritual songs could move even an atheist to tears. When he sang at a memorial for one of our buddies that got hit, all of the people who had beef just magically came together and this love vibe just took over, it's hard to describe, you just had to be there. I'm just saying, here was a dude whose mom was a crackwhore, he never knew his dad, his family abused him...but he had a gift and a power in his soul that could touch others. And he could make one hell of a gumbo.



posted on Mar, 30 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
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You fit the classic definition of a Psychopath


or - he just enjoys pushing buttons



Actually that was my first thought
More fun this way though as it is what he wanted.



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