At least 8 dead in nursing home shooting

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by MegaCurious
But hey, that's how America is. Doesn't surprise me at all. Very hypocritical and self-destructive. Very angry and intolerant folks that say one thing, but think something completely different.

And yet, America was founded as and remains a shelter against the oppression and savagery that consumes the rest of the world. Last time I checked, millions of immigrants come to America every year, both legally and otherwise, preferring our hypocrisy and intolerance to the benevolent totalitarianism and outright barbarity of their homelands.

We're not "angry" in America... Don't confuse anger with defiance, because we are definitely a defiant culture. That's our heritage, it's what distinguishes us from the rest of the world — No, we don't want your Global Union, we don't want your thin-skinned political correctness, we don't want your currency, we don't want your secularism, and we don't need your help.

Seriously, for the rest of the world to criticize America in any respect is like a bunch of pygmies criticizing the height of a giant — "Look, everyone! The giant isn't 500 feet tall after all! It's only 495 feet tall!"

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just get back in line to receive your handouts.


— Doc Velocity

I applaud your post!

Straight, Honest, and stated with brutal honest facts! Sometimes I find it difficult to express my thoughts in such a manner.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by infolurker]

reply to post by Jigore


Yes very often guns do save lives.

I bet if anybody on that greyhound up in Canada last year had a gun, that knife wielding man would've been stopped form decapitating that man.

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by Jigore

 

Yes very often guns do save lives.

Anybody remember the Palm Pistol?

Specifically designed so invalids, the elderly and otherwise handicapped could have and operate a simple firearms to defend themselves. In one moment approved by the FDA as a medical device meaning insurance and medicare would/could have put these in the hands of just about anyone unable fend off a mugger, rapist, attacker. In another moment die to the outrage of the ignorant stripped of its "medical device" classification.

Good thing none of those old folks were armed. Using bodies to catch the bullets is a much better option all around.

just shows Americans don't give a crap about the elderly or mentally ill ... because they're not "cute".

reply to post by Donnie Darko


Not so.
New reports are saying the gunman was after his ex-wife.
Nothing to do with not caring about old, un-cuddly people.

It is truly a shame that this sad news story was started in a thread by someone who simply wanted to bash Americans.

If it were not... just think of the depth it could've reached. We could have discussed how hard nursing home life actually is and how sad and terrifying it was/is for those residents, family members and employees. Or how severely unprotected and vulnerable nursing homes are. What a pathetic coward the murderer is. Perhaps how we are all sick of men thinking because their wife left them that they have a right to go on murdering sprees. Etc.

But no... the thread was not started with unselfish, compassionate intentions.

Wish there were minus marks to give some posters/members.

Ok , so someone wants to start badmouthing the British now ? Ok , I will admit that I would personaly prefer the death scentence for anyone caught with an offensive weapon, anyone gulity of murder or repeated violence , and anyone caught in an illegal act who is a member of a gang. But the trouble with the death penalty is , that the governments of the world are WRONG. Yes ghettoism is wrong , but its not worse. The Chinese government has begun a program of street executions in its country. A guilty party will be lead to the back of a large van, put inside, killed, and then his organs harvested, his blood products removed, every reusable resource of the human body stripped, and anything unusable is burned. Imagine if our government here in the UK got that power? I would seriously hate that, and unfortunately thats the only deterant against the level of sin and loathing we have in this country . So catch 22. Do you give the corrupt criminals with good lawyers the power to kill the ones with worse lawyers? Or do you let all the scum have the same chance of survival ? Either way the innocent suffer, and theres NOTHING we can do about it , except decide to live good lives. And its the same in your nation to a degree so dont give me any damned BS about the UK right ? At least my nations government had to be FOOLED into going to war, rather than outright wanting to murder hundreds of thousands , the majority of whom were not shooting back .

reply to post by TrueBrit


Yes, but most of Americans THOUGHT WE were saving the Iraqis from a dictator who was slaughtering them for power!
Thats what most of us thought!

any issue could be made of these scenarios. Is this really about guns or is this about women not getting enough protection from domestic violence. I am sure she left him for the same crazy reasons that set him off. Is this about this countrie's apathetic and stigmatic view of mental health. How many doctors has this guy seen and not been diagnosed?

It is sad. And I may get flamed for this but I am glad she didn't work in a school.

reply to post by True Brit



True Brit,

You need some serious practice fellow!! Ever heard of the Opium Wars carried on by the British Government on behalf of the Crown or merchants in the Orient...India to China??

Contrary to what most think by the name "Opium Wars" the British Government was not trying to stop Opium Distribution ...they were supporting opium distribution by fighting the Chinese who where in fact trying to stop opium from destroying their country.

The British Government were aiding and abetting Drug Dealers...the Merchants of the Crown..who were actually highly organized gangs of merchants/drug dealers...with government backing.
Benjamin Desraeli himseslf writes about this sordid history of England.

Most Americans are not that fluent on what the Crown was doing in India and the massacres that took place there as well....much less what was going on in China.

It was the same with the Boers in South Africa....for the mineral rights.

Also there is a lot of violence going on in England and the UK today. It is j not just gun violence but it is also non gun violence nonetheless and on the increase. It is the same in Australia. Gun violence is on the rise in these countries and many of the politicians find it unexplainable and or dont want to confront what they have done/caused.
This is also being attempted to be kept out of the news and information outlets here in the States..but it can be found if one looks hard on the internet.

Do not presume to lecture us about violence when there are those of us who know differently and are also versed in history.

England has a very violent history going back to some 900 AD. So spare us. I am wondering what the UK would be like if it had a population of some 300 million as regards violence.

I know too what was going on during and leading up to the English Civil War with the Roundheads, Cavaliers, and Oliver Cromwell. A very violent time and often involving civilians ..not just the Armies.

This....is pitiful True Brit,

Ok , I will admit that I would personally prefer the death sentence for anyone caught with an offensive weapon,

Followed by this..

and anyone caught in an illegal act who is a member of a gang.

This shows much immaturity...Drama....and also the tendency in immaturity to want to play god. Some politicians are actually encouraging this as is the Chinese Government..and for lucre too.

To my knowledge an offensive weapon can be just about anything. Especially in a PC/drama run world. Also to my limited knowledge being a member of a gang is not a death penalty offense....nor against the law.

This is presumption of guilt when no crime has taken place.

If this is British...no thanks....keep it over there across the pond.

You will be getting a taste of this presumption of guilt when Sharia Law is finally instituted across the board...and all Englishmen are subject to it under the guise of PC. And it is coming...you can take this one to the bank.
You can see it coming.

True Brit, Dont treat us all as if we know nothing of history..some of us do in fact know some history.
England and the UK do not have the moral high ground to be lecturing us on violence. I can also make this same historical point about the continent of Europe itself. A very violent place from the Records of History.

Thanks to all for thier posts,
Orangetom