Atheist Conspiracy to Kill God in the Minds of Children?, page 1

privacy

Pages: << 1 2 3 >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 0 times

Topic started on 28-3-2009 @ 01:17 AM by B.A.C.

Everyone must have heard of the movie "The Golden Compass" by now, seemed pretty innocent from the previews I seen.

I found this on Snopes.com and thought it was very interesting that an Atheist may have actually set out to kill God in the minds of kids. Obviously his publisher was aware of his books, so it is a conspiracy by definition.

snopes.com...
What is disturbing to me is that this movie is based on the first of a trilogy of books for children called HIS DARK MATERIALS written by Philip Pullman of England. He's an atheist and his objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism. I heard that he has made remarks that he wants to kill God in the minds of children, and that's what his books are all about. He despises C.S. Lewis and Narnia, etc. An article written about him said "this is the most dangerous author in Britain" and that Pullman would be the writer "the atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed." Pullman said he doesn't think it is possible that there is a God and he has great difficulty understanding the words "spiritual" and "spirituality." What I thought was important to communicate is what part of the agenda is for making this picture. This movie is a watered down version of the first book, which is the least offensive of the three books. The second book of the trilogy is THE SUBTLE KNIFE and the third book is THE AMBER SPYGLASS. Each book gets worse and worse regarding Pullman's hatred of God. In the trilogy, a young girl becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle against a nefarious Church known as the Magisterium. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as "a very powerful and convincing mistake." As I understand it, in the last book, a boy and girl are depicted representing Adam and Eve and they kill God, who at times is called YAHWEH (which is definitely not Allah). Since the movie would seem mild if you viewed it, that's been done on purpose. They are hoping that unsuspecting parents will take their children to See the movie, that they will enjoy the movie and then the children will want the books for Christmas.

Here is a link to the full article: snopes.com...

Any thoughts on this? Obviously as a Christian I don't support this, but maybe some Atheists do? I'm curious...

[edit on 28-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 01:42 AM by riley

I only saw the movie but it was just about metaphysical spirituality.. it didn't really promote atheism though it did discuss multi universe theory. I guess when it comes down to it it's up to parents to decide if they want their kids to see it. There are belief systems other than chistianity and if they ommit god it does NOT equate to an attack on it so no I do not think atheists are trying to kill god. I did see some anti-establishment messages in it though.

I have only seen the movie so can't speak of the books.. incidentally I think it was because of the christian hate groups that they never made the sequel. They had a huge campaign against the Golden Compass. They attacked harry potter as well so I'm more inclined to think that it is these christian groups themselves that are trying to kill other belief systems by trying to get them censored.

btw. B.A.C did you even read or see the Golden Compass yourself?

[edit on 28-3-2009 by riley]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:11 AM by B.A.C.

Nope just the previews. I didn't even know there was a controversy about this. I'm downloading it right now. What blew me away was the Authors statements.

I'm referring to the Authors statements when I say there is a conspiracy. He says his books are about killing God. His publisher is obviously aware of this and supports it. In no way am I claiming all Atheists want to do this, just a few.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:14 AM by Azador

Big deal!How many movies are there for kids promoting christianity?Pretty much all your xmas and easter movies.
I hardly think one movie not ramming it down there throats will cause a mass revolt.Besides only adults look that deep into the meanings of movies and authors kids just like the wonder of them.Leave them be.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:19 AM by B.A.C.

Originally posted by Azador
Big deal!How many movies are there for kids promoting christianity?Pretty much all your xmas and easter movies.
I hardly think one movie not ramming it down there throats will cause a mass revolt.Besides only adults look that deep into the meanings of movies and authors kids just like the wonder of them.Leave them be.

I'm just looking for opinions on the authors statements about his motive. I'm sure my kids have watched it already at their friends or maybe at home (I'll have to ask my wife, I don't restrict their viewing much as long as it's rated for kids), I'll have to see tomorrow when they wake up what they thought of it. I haven't seen it, but I'll check it out.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:21 AM by rapinbatsisaltherage

reply to post by B.A.C.

I heard that he has made remarks that he wants to kill God in the minds of children, and that's what his books are all about.

This person heard this so they just believe it?

By the way Yahweh=

the name of the deity in Judaism and Christianity (Yahweh)en.wikipedia.org...

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:26 AM by B.A.C.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
This person heard this so they just believe it?

Snopes debunks stuff like this, they rated this as "True". So they must have confirmed this with the Author's own statements. There is more on this at the link I provided.

Yes I am familiar with what Yahweh is.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:29 AM by riley

Originally posted by B.A.C.
Nope just the previews. I didn't even know there was a controversy about this. I'm downloading it right now.

I only found out the was a controversy when I was looking for the sequel.

Don't knock it till you see it.. in the context of the multi universe theory it's very interesting.

What blew me away was the Authors statements.

I'm referring to the Authors statements when I say there is a conspiracy. He says he is trying to kill God in the minds of children. His publisher is obviously aware of this and supports it. In no way am I claiming all Atheists want to do this, just a few.

Actually that was another guy who said he had heared him say that. He actually says "My books are about killing god." I don't think he says "My books are about killing god in the minds of children". Does he say that directly about the movie itself or is it just hearsay?

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:31 AM by Azador

You will find many famous authors, artists, poets, directors etc are atheists.Yet christianity and religion in general is still alive and kicking.If he did actually say he wanted to "kill god in the minds of children" is just as wrong to me as those who choose to shove their religion down others throats.No one should force their views like that, however as mentioned already what was quoted is hearsay.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:32 AM by rapinbatsisaltherage

Snopes said it was based on an anti-religious series. That's all. It doesn't confirm that the movie wants to brainwash children.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:34 AM by B.A.C.

The person that alerted Snopes to this said that specific phrase, they kinda paraphrased it incorrectly. He say's "My books are about killing God" and that he's "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". But if his books or movie are meant for children, then this would apply to them.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:39 AM by B.A.C.

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
Snopes said it was based on an anti-religious series. That's all. It doesn't confirm that the movie wants to brainwash children.

Oh, I never said the movie wants to brainwash kids. I'm just looking for opinions and thoughts on this. Snopes quotes him as saying "My books are about killing god" and that he's "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". His motives are pretty clear.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:43 AM by Seany

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Oh, I never said the movie wants to brainwash kids. I'm just looking for opinions and thoughts on this. Snopes quotes him as saying "My books are about killing god" and that he's "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". His motives are pretty clear.

You keep repeating this over and over , quit trolling

he answered you several times

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:47 AM by B.A.C.

Who answered me? What are you talking about? This is my thread, I'm responding to questions. Two questions is "over and over"?

I'm trolling my own thread? That would be something I haven't seen before.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:48 AM by riley

Originally posted by B.A.C.
The person that alerted Snopes to this said that specific phrase, they kinda paraphrased it incorrectly.

I'll say.. maybe you should change the title of the thread? It's grossly missleading.

He say's "My books are about killing God" and that he's "trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief". But if his books or movie are meant for children, then this would apply to them.

They're not really meant for children.. and again he doesn't say "kill god in the minds of people" either. He might be talking about killing the concept of god as an authority figure.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by riley]

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:51 AM by B.A.C.

It's quite possible. That's why I put a question mark on the end of the title. No need to change it. We could read a lot into his statements. That's what discussion is about.

reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:58 AM by riley

Originally posted by B.A.C.
It's quite possible. That's why I put a question mark on the end of the title. No need to change it. We could read a lot into his statements. That's what discussion is about.

You based your title on the premise that he said "I want to kill god in the minds of children" so it's missleading.

..even with that all important question mark.

enjoy the show.