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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:04 AM by David9176
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You see this is the ultimate problem. Both parties have screwed this up...it's just the federal reserve has helped to enable it.
Inflation is taxation..we can no longer keep up with the debt without killing our currency and putting everyone in the poor house..
And they know it.
We cannot afford to be any wars right now. We need to pull back the american empire around the world and let the rest of the world do as they
please.
We are hogging up everything.
The problem is there are people that feel this needs to be forced. It does not have to be forced.
People just want to be left alone and live with as much freedom as possible.
Everyone deserves that right..in this country..and everywhere.
We just have to respect our own borders...and others. Let other people and countries thrive. Let them decide their own fates.
Capitalism doesn't have to die. Freedom does not have to die. We just need to retract.
Everything that has happened has gone through the federal reserve.
It has worked for both parties ideologies and agendas.
We need to get beyond that.
People need to realize what is happening.
It doesn't take that long..all it takes is a little thought and open mindedness and they will start to see things unravel in their minds.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:05 AM by Hx3_1963
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(The Fed)
The Bankers' Manifesto of 1892
circleof13.blogspot.com...
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. revealed the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 to the U.S. Congress somewhere between 1907 and 1917.
BANKERS MANIFESTO
We (the bankers) must proceed with caution and guard every move made, for the lower order of people are already showing signs of restless commotion.
Prudence will therefore show a policy of apparently yielding to the popular will until our plans are so far consummated that we can declare our
designs without fear of any organized resistance.
Organizations in the United States should be carefully watched by our trusted men, and we must take immediate steps to control these organizations in
our interest or disrupt them.
At the coming Omaha convention to be held July 4, 1892, our men must attend and direct its movement or else there will be set on foot such antagonism
to our designs as may require force to overcome.
This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capital must protect itself in every possible manner through
combination (conspiracy) and legislation.
The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.
When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes,
they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm
of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.
People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal men
who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political
antagonism.
The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the
reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.
By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the
common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished. if this isn't a
real Manifesto...it should be because it sounds exactly like what is happening this very day...
...And it seems to work quite well...no???
Genius...
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:06 AM by David9176
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Well considering the Fed is Illegal to begin with, why do we need a HR for anything?
You're right..but no one will vote for that because it's too extreme.
An audit is not.
But the audit will bring about the truth...hopefully!
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:13 AM by Common Good
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I agree. We need to just mind our own god damned buisness and be a people instead of being "THE PEOPLE". I dont know if that makes sense?
We dont need to be policing the world, we have our own problems. Some nations rise, and some nations fall, we cant be one of those nations that fall,
and at the rate we are going, it wont be long until we are. So policing the world isnt going to help our cause one bit if a year down the road we
cease to exist. Just no point, the only way that we should be in a position to help others, is if we are in a good enough position where it wouldnt
hurt us to help other people out. Its agood to help people out, but if you cant take care of your own problems, then helping other people out cant
help you. We are simply not in a position to do so, and that is why our politicians and people across the world are seing so much outrage. They
screwed us over so bad that they effictively stopped us from helping others out. They want to be in control of who and who should or should not need
assistance. Its pathetic, and our leaders should f#cking get their heads out of their asses real quick or else there will be hell to pay by the people
whom put them there.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:13 AM by Hastobemoretolife
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Something needs to happen and soon. All hell is going to break lose if the government doesn't start to bend towards the peoples will.
It is just the way it is something has to give. It would be great if we could all unite for one cause, but we are so divided it is going to take
something like a Fed audit to expose the games that are really being played.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:14 AM by Hx3_1963
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Well...I wasn't exactly thinking about voting for anything concerning the Fed...
If it's not covered in the first 10 or 12 Amendments, (I don't really count anything after, being as the 13th-16th are quite muddled and illegal in
my view), there is no basis for it and what's to vote about?
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:17 AM by jd140
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by David9176
Well considering the Fed is Illegal to begin with, why do we need a HR for anything?
They could give a Rats Hat less what we have to say...and are going to do whatever they want...
Greenberg, Paulson & Helicopter Ben have pretty much said as much..
I say we get Clint Eastwood, Chuck Norris, John Cena and a few others and take care of business!!!
What would John Cena do, pretend to hit them or kill them with his bad acting?
On Topic.
I like how they said this would excite the far right.
In reality it should excite the whole country.
I'm usually not the one to yell that the government is trying to take over, but something has been bothering me the last few months.
I have noticed a disturbing trend of name calling and discrediting of those who speak against the administration and to a certain extent the Democrats
as a whole.
Something about it makes me think about when McCarthy labeled all those who speak ill of the government and Congress as card carrying Communist.
He was very succesful until he started to attack the President. What will happen if we get the same thing only this time they only attack the
Republicans and the third party?
I'm sure I'm just being a little paranoid.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:20 AM by Common Good
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Jon cena. lol.
Since I was a Marine back in the day...I felt compelled to go see a movie in the casino one night when Iwas waiting on a buddy...and that movie
happened to be "The Marine". I didnt know who actedin it, or what it was about, I just felt compelled to see it cause of the title.
Boy was that ever a mistake. I have never seen such bad acting in my life.
-On topic- Im armed and dangerous ready to rock and roll.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:22 AM by Hx3_1963
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Originally posted by jd140
Originally posted by Hx3_1963
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What would John Cena do, pretend to hit them or kill them with his bad acting? Star 4 U!
Good one!!!
But seriously, if Cena can get Big Show up, just think of the STFU he could put on Helicopter Ben & Tiny Turbo Timmy!!!
 
And McCarthy is a good analogy to what we could see when the Government starts to devour it's self...
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:37 AM by Hx3_1963
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Another Michele Bachmann Radio Eruption
dumpbachmann.blogspot.com...
UPDATE:
Bachmann says she is having meetings on April 9th in Saint Cloud at 1 PM and Woodbury at 4 PM featuring Chris Horner, a global warming skeptic who,
according to Sourcewatch has received "more than $2 million in funding from ExxonMobil since 1998, among other corporate funders". We'll try to
find out more about these meetings.
Bachmann is a strident global warming skeptic. According to this blog post, Bachmann heckled Al Gore about global warming at the Inauguration:
It’s a question the press didn’t dare ask, but a second-term Minnesota Republican congresswoman wasn’t afraid.
Rep. Michele Bachmann, told participants in a Jan. 26 Americans for Prosperity teleconference that at President Barack Obama’s inauguration on Jan.
20 she had asked former Vice President Al Gore if it was cold enough for him and noted this wasn’t “exactly a global warming day.” The 19-degree
temperatures were too cold for even a quartet to perform a piece arranged by composer John Williams, forcing them to prerecord the performance.
“On the Inauguration Day, Dr. Tom Price [GOP U.S. congressman from Georgia] can attest to this – we were freezing to death, sitting there during
the inauguration, with our blankets huddled up there,” Bachmann said. “We were asking Al Gore when he came in through the door, ‘Hey Al, is it
cold enough for you down there? This isn’t exactly a global warming day.’”
Bachmann cites an expert... her brother, a weatherman:
According to Bachmann, the earth is entering a stage of prolonged global cooling. She cited her brother, who dismisses the theory of anthropogenic
global warming.
“My brother is also a certified meteorologist,” Bachmann said. “He agrees with you. He said there is nothing to this global warming phenomenon.
As a matter of fact, we are now in a long-term global cooling stage.”
Bachmann also warned about pending cap-and-trade legislation and said it would not only have an economic impact.
“The cap-and-trade legislation is something that we all need to be very worried about, because what it would do in effect is give government the
right to control almost every aspect of our lives. The economic impact is one thing. The freedom impact is almost worse because almost every activity
that we engage in involves energy and government would now have the right to put a tax and control energy, which means they would have a right to
control almost our every move.” I think she has the right idea about this Cap-n-Trade spit...
U.N.'s Ban says slump may lead to political crisis
www.reuters.com...
Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:34pm EDT
:snip:
The head of the International Monetary Fund, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, on Monday said the crisis would push millions into poverty and unemployment,
risking social unrest and even war.
Ban used his Moscow speech to call on countries to use anti-crisis stimulus packages to help fight climate change.
"My answer is it would be very smart to invest a certain proportion of this stimulus package in green growth and by doing this we can catch two birds
with one stone," he said.
"If we are going to spend trillions of dollars on the global stimulus packages let us be smart and tackle climate change at the same
time." Now...who's an American and who's a puppet for the NWO???
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:40 AM by David9176
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We need to know exactly where the Federal reserve is sending our money...and how it has been manipulated.
I'm not saying the Fed is the cause....i'm saying the federal reserve holds the answers to what is really happening.
Transparency will not hurt anyone.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:40 AM by Iamonlyhuman
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and how she'll be distributing information against it at an upcoming event in the district. "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on
this issue
She wants people armed with information.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:41 AM by Common Good
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Why must they always bring climate change into every damned issue we face?
Im getting sick of these damned politicians more and more every day.
I wish that we could get rid of them without having to get physical about it.
Only in a perfect world.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:50 AM by Hx3_1963
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Despite FOIA Victory, FBN Finds Government Holds Back
www.foxbusiness.com...
For a government that espouses greater transparency, the Obama Administration’s definition of the term can seem rather opaque.
The overwhelming majority of some 10,000 pages released to the FOX Business Network in the cable channel’s successful Freedom of Information Act
lawsuit against the Department of the Treasury seeking documents related to the Troubled Asset Recovery Program were redacted.
That left thousands of blank documents, whited-out sentences and page after page of little more than lists of email recipients, senders and subject
lines.
FOIA experts say FOX Business’s situation -- and frustration -- is hardly unusual.
“This is part of the inherent limitation of FOIA,” said Rick Blum, coordinator of the Sunshine in Government Initiative, a nonprofit coalition of
media groups. “FOIA is a very powerful tool that allows the public to obtain documents it should get from the government. But there are a lot of
problems with it.”
For instance, a tactic often employed by the government to stall release of a given document is to cite a deep backlog of requests and then delay
until interest in that document wanes. Another tactic for withholding information is to cite one of several legal exemptions that allow for
redactions, and then black out much of the information released.
Recent reforms to FOIA now require the government to explain why certain information has been redacted, and that’s an improvement, said Blum.
“They need to very clearly give you the statutory basis for the blackout, so if you want to fight it, at least you know what you’re fighting,”
he said. More at Link...
What a waste of paper...almost 11k sheets of spit...
...And there's yer answer about Transparency and The Fed...told ya...
...A class unto themselfs...
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:50 AM by Darky6K
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Originally posted by David9176
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You did know that there are 2 separate legislations to audit the federal reserve to show transparency?
One if a by a Democrat in the senate...Bernie Sanders I believe.
The other is Republican Ron Paul in the house...who has at last check..44 sponsors.
This isn't about reps and dems.
Transparency of the federal reserve is extremely important to the people of this country.
No it isn't Dems and Reps, but I'm saying the vibe I got from her was that it is. If she wants to be like Ron Paul, okay, different story.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:53 AM by Hx3_1963
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UPDATE 1-JPMorgan not sure will disclose stress test results
www.reuters.com...
WASHINGTON, March 27 (Reuters) - JPMorgan (JPM.N) Chief Executive Jamie Dimon said on Friday the company is "thinking about what we want to do"
about releasing the results of a government stress test on the company.
Dimon said the company already conducts stress tests on its performance and makes regular disclosures, but would not say that JPMorgan will make
public the results of the regulators' test.
The U.S. government is testing 19 of the largest U.S. banks to see how they would perform under more adverse economic conditions than they are
expected to face. Officials have said the tests are not pass/fail, and are instead designed to determine the amount of capital they might need if
conditions further deteriorate.
The government has until the end of April to complete the tests.
Dimon, speaking after a meeting with President Barack Obama and other top bank CEOs, also said that "we don't need the money, we don't need the
capital" when asked if JPMorgan planned to participate in the government's toxic asset plan.
The U.S. Treasury Department on Monday provided more details on a government plan to cleanse banks' balance sheets of up to $1 trillion in distressed
assets.
Further, Dimon said the mark-to-market accounting guidance that the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) has proposed will "mean almost
nothing to us" but might help some other banks.
FASB plans to vote next week on the guidance, which would give banks more leeway to interpret how they should apply mark-to-market accounting
standards.
Mark-to-market accounting is aimed at giving investors an accurate view of financial companies' books, but some banks and lawmakers have blamed the
rules for accelerating the financial crisis.
...Hell none of them will probley publish any reports...
...just like the Fed & Tres won't even say who got what to begin with...
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:57 AM by Darky6K
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Well that's what George Carlin said- "they keep you fighting so that they the rich can run off to the bank. Fairly simple plan, happens to work."
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 12:59 AM by Darky6K
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Originally posted by Hx3_1963
If it's not covered in the first 10 or 12 Amendments, (I don't really count anything after, being as the 13th-16th are quite muddled and illegal in
my view), there is no basis for it and what's to vote about?
13th prohibits slavery, 14th gives rights to freed slaves, 15th gave voting rights to all races, you're fine with that?
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 01:02 AM by Hastobemoretolife
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That is because none of the banks are going to "pass" the stress test the banks need more capital than what is possible while keeping the world
afloat.
There just isn't enough money and they want to be paid. Everything is self destructing.
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reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 01:02 AM by Hx3_1963
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Ah...not quite...
Take a look through my 13th thread...I think you'll be surprised by what you think you know...
The Original Thirteenth Amendment
www.abovetopsecret.com...
...all is not what it appears...
@ David: I just saw that grilling the Congresswoman gave about the Constitution allowing the Fed on GB...good stuff...
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