Obama secretly passing new law to allow searching of PC's, Laptops, and media devices, page 1
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Topic started on 27-3-2009 @ 02:22 PM by baseball101


In extreme secrecy from the public, the Obama administration is hammering out an international copyright treaty with several other countries and the European Union.

Under the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), governments will get sweeping new powers to search and seize material thought to be in breach of copyright.

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I searched and didn't see this on here ... how is this change? how is this helping the American people? will anything ever truly be private property? i don't know not too much out there on this ... what are your thoughts?


reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 02:44 AM by SamGuss
This unfortunately doesn't suprise me at all. In all fairness I did do some of my own background checks and indeed much of this act comes from 2008 it appears, which puts it under Bush's watch. However, the secrecy the BHO is going through over all of this does make me suspect and regardless it is his watch now.

My major contention to BHO in the first place was who he has associated with in the past. This tells a lot about somebody. He associated with criminals. Criminals hide things - or do their best to. Criminals lie. Criminals - at least some of them can be very charming as they rob and swindle you blind.

What's sad, is that I started to give BHO a break until about 2 weeks ago. Now he's turning into even worse than I expected him to be back during the campaign. One of the things I gave him a break about and actually gave some praise to him about was the fact that he was attempting to make things more transparent - and he used the whitehouse.gov website to assist in that.

Now to find that no, he is only being transparent with what he wants us to see and the bugger with us on things I am sure he KNOWS that the american people would be upset over.

The funniest thing is that this act if passed, I have no real fear over it. I am actually one of those people who doesn't download music or movies over the internet - except perhaps to watch whats on You Tube. Anyway, my point is that if this law passes, then my computer can be checked for illegal activity.

Checked for illegal activity. BEFORE I have even been accused of a crime. It's not that I have anything to hide. It's that I as an individual am being treated as a criminal when I've done nothing wrong. That concept bothers the hell out of me.



reply posted on 28-3-2009 @ 10:40 PM by baseball101
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so you're saying that even though they were negotiated in 2008 the new Congress couldn't of turned it down? and Obama didn't have the choice to not push for it's passing?


reply posted on 29-3-2009 @ 12:50 PM by Jadette
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Well, first off, this isn't a bill in Congress, so it's sort of a moot point to talk about Congressional approval. Obama hasn't, to my knowledge, pushed, pulled, nudged or otherwise encouraged this treaty negociation.

I suppose it implies his consent that he hasn't recalled the US from the negociation table. But at this point in time, that's all that's going on, the Office of the United States Trade Representative has a member, or members of its agency off somewhere, sitting at a table with other sorts of trade agency reps from other nations, talking about the verbage of a treaty to the ends of preventing fake products from being sold internationally. Sometime during the negociations, the debated verbage expanded to possibly include other sorts of IP infringement.

Now, they haven't even agreed on what to say, let alone, signed off on it. And even if they had, it would still have to go to the various governments for consideration. So Ron Kirk, or someone else from the US agency, would then go to Obama and say, "Hey, look at this, tell me what you think, is this something we want to do?"

I don't know how trade agreements get finalized, does it only take presidental approval? Or does it go before congress? Either way, this ACTA thing isn't there yet.
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