Training of New Civilian Security Force Passed, Billions Allocated

The argument about how many blacks were killed during slavery is a little loopy, killed or not they were enslaved anyway which on it's own would have been more than enough to justify the war.

Slavery is fundamentally incompatible with liberty, full stop.

The bodycount is irrelevant.

That said, the Lincoln did not prosecute the war for the purposes of ending slavery, he fought it in order to preserve the Union.

Ending slavery was mostly a means to that end, not the end itself.

I told you all this was coming.... Any one ever heard of the Hitler Youth?

Look up my other threads if you are not comprehending any of this.

I can tell you right now that this 23 year old will have no part of any mandatory or required service that the administration tries to enforce. No way. Come and take me big brother.... I dare you.

Martial law doesnt seem so far away. All the peices are falling into place, and I'll have myself a good deep belly laugh and express the first ever "I told you so" that i've ever had the chance to. The state of affairs is worrisome...... to say the least.

Any one who cares about their essential liberties should see this as a bright red flag. How much are you willing to sacrafice? All of the God given freedoms that Americans enjoy are being stripped away right under your noses!!!! How much is enough America?

A short list to conclude : Gun ban, laws that control what we are alowd to say (free speach laws), media censorship, a centralized banking system, and finally the new Obama Youth civilian defense force........ I give up, man. I hope its more than the few here who realize that this is all really bad news. All 'fear mongering' aside, we are in for some serious poo.

So where are the free speech bans?

Where's the media censorship?

The gun bans?

The "centralized banking system"?

Hello?

I see no evidence of any of this happening, outside constant claims from the far right of what will happen "any day now"

I'm not holding my breath

reply to post by xmotex


You don't see any potential danger of these things?

"It does not take much strength to lift a hair, it does not take sharp eyes to see the Sun and Moon, it does not take sharp ears to hear a thunderclap."

- Sun Tzu

Maybe you need a new pair of glasses.

Originally posted by DJones
Wow a lot of hostility.

Just a question, what if this force is used in the exact way in which it is described? From what I can tell, hardcore Obama supporters are not the ones that are ready to pick up arms and do something stupid, in fact it is the ones who hate Obama that seem ready to do so. Not judging, if he breaks the constitution its your right as an American.

Are you out of your mind? There is NOTHING good from MANDATORY Community Service, and MANDATORY National Service...

Taking away the right to choose of all Americans is nothing good at all.
The Obama camp is also attacking American's right to own and bear arms, and if that doesn't work they also have implemented a plan that makes all ammo possessed right now by Americans illegal, and according to one of the many bills passed by the Obama camp, by 2011 all ammo that is not coded must be destroyed by then.

This means the government can limit how much ammo, if any at all Law abbiding American citizens can have.

Stop trying to be so righteous. Do you think that Buddhist monks don't turn hostile after the decades of being under the iron yoke of Communist China?...

Would you like to see what many Buddhist monks have resorted to protest agaisnt the dictatorship of Communist China?

How many Buddhist monks have killed themselves, and allowed themselves to die of starvation, and other more horrible deaths trying to "peacefully" protest against the dictatorship of Communist China?...

You have much to learn still, there are times when a person must stand up for his, or her rights, even if it means using violence to defend his or her rights, life, and to be able to fulfill his, or her pursuit of happiness.

Buddhism is not a perfect way of life, there is no perfect way of life, or religion.

I can tell you are not a real Buddhist, and you have never taken the vows, you are one of those people who claims to be....

A real Buddhist would not be judging people like you are doing, more so when they are trying to defend their rights, and their lives.

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Don't listen to such people, obviously there are brainwashed Obama fans who think their "saviour" can do no harm, meanwhile the present administration, and even representatives from both parties, have voted for Mandatory Community Service, and for the new Learn-based programs of indoctrination to follow the party line no-matter what.

Some people, including many Americans are too naive to understand any evidence which shows that their saviour is nothing more than another Hitler, or Castro in the making.

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reply to post by dooper


There are always "potential" dangers.

But I certainly don't see any of those things happening now, or on the horizon.

The "gun ban" is a perfect example.

Even the AWB is unlikely to get passed (or even reach a vote), let alone any sort of totalistic "gun ban".

Similarly Obama's critics on the left are already criticizing him for not nationalizing the banking system, but simply buying into existing commercial entities to keep them afloat.

Of course, this "civilian security force" will only need 250,000 "volunteers" to start. We know, right off the bat, that this is something very sinister simply because, once conscripted, they will no longer be civilians at all — they will be government servants, under the direct instruction and order of the Executive Branch.

I have no doubt that this civilian security force will quickly grow in in size, requiring millions of "volunteers," and expand far beyond college campuses, until we have a representative force in every community across the country — like the Boy Scouts with guns.

This isn't about serving the People in times of natural disaster. It's about indoctrinating impressionable young minds into betraying their families and their communities whenever the order comes down from the White House. And, yes, it's part and parcel of the gun-ban agenda — we'll have Executive Branch snitches in every community, in every family.

When the Cold War ended in the late 1980s, and the Iron Curtain fell amid great jubilation, we learned a lot of things about the communist indoctrination tactics that had been in place in Eastern Europe for over 40 years... We learned, for instance, that in East Berlin alone, 1 in every 3 people were "civilian" KGB informants, ratting out their own neighbors, turning in their own children, betraying their own parents, and generally keeping their foot on the necks of the population.

Welcome to Obama's "Civilian Security Force" — Welcome to East Berlin, USA.


— Doc Velocity





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Much like our forefathers, I am very fearful of any organization. I don't care who they are, what they gather for, or how just and legitimate they are.

I have been asked to join many organizations, and I won't even join the Veterans of Foreign Wars. A good group to be sure, but I don't want my name on anyone's list.

This move is troubling.

Nothing good can come from it. Nothing.

This turd in the White House, along with the other long-term piles of crap that we call our Congress, are some of the dumbest, most short-sighted, self-preserving, power-hungry people since the former Soviet Government.

And this Civilian Security Force is just another tool to perpetuate their position of power and empowerment.

Originally posted by Rossa
The funding for training a military home guard (as the Brits. would call it), is there, and could be put to use.

We already have one. It's called the National Guard. Part of their purpose is to help during national emergencies. We don't need a "civilian", and I use that term loosely in this instance, force when we already have a military force for the same purpose.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Would be VERY interesting too see what hardcore military career people think about it..I would imagine some kinda jealousy.

Why would they be jealous? Those in the military joined of their own free will, they weren't forced into it like people in this "volunteer" force will be. None of them were told they had to "volunteer". So what exactly is there for them to be jealous of?




As a side note, is it still too early to say I told you so about Obama's mandatory "volunteer civilian" security force? Yeah, maybe a little bit.. I can wait, though it'll be too late by the time people finally see what exactly is going on here.

Originally posted by xmotex
So where are the free speech bans? Where's the media censorship? The gun bans? The "centralized banking system"? I see no evidence of any of this happening, outside constant claims from the far right of what will happen "any day now"

You will pardon me for asking, but how long have you been vacationing on another planet?

The U.S. Congress and President Obama are already working on a reinstitution of the "Fairness Doctrine," which is going to shut down talk radio. Not might shut it down, but will shut it down. Regardless of what you think of the content of talk radio, do you not consider government intervention to shut it down as an infringement of Free Speech?

The U.S. Congress and President Obama are already working on a "newspaper bail-out" with specific conditions — any newspaper that wants bail-out money must agree to stop endorsing political candidates. What this means, essentially, is that the content of those newspapers will be under the control of the federal government.

Regarding "centralized banking," in case you haven't noticed, the U.S. Congress and President Obama have just gone into the banking business, buying up hundreds of billions of dollars in bad bank debt and rewarding financial institutions with free money to jump-start the economy — the stipulation, of course, is that financial institutions must comply with another round of stringent "transparency" regulation, on top of those costly measures already in place. In essence, the federal government is empowered to oversee, hire, fire and prosecute the management of financial institutions, in addition to capping their paychecks and bonuses. Hmmm. Yeah, that does sound like centralized banking.

Taken a step further, the same sort of government regulation is coming down on private industry, as well — President Obama just fired the head of General Motors and is appointing a new CEO. More government intervention into private industry and the death of free enterprise looms on the horizon.

As for anti-gun legislation, the U.S. Congress and President Obama are already working on renewing and expanding the lapsed Assault Weapons Ban, which actually bans rifles with certain cosmetic features, such as flash suppressors and pistol grips, for example. Doesn't matter if it's only a semi-automatic hunting rifle, if it has certain cosmetic features, it's banned. And the U.S. Congress and President Obama are boldly considering a ban on semi-auto handguns, as well.

So, while you were sleeping or in a coma or whatever, yes, all of this socialist crap just magically appeared and is crushing the life out of American Liberty. You can deny it to yourself, but the facts are the facts.

— Doc Velocity

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The U.S. Congress and President Obama are already working on a reinstitution of the "Fairness Doctrine," which is going to shut down talk radio. Not might shut it down, but will shut it down. Regardless of what you think of the content of talk radio, do you not consider government intervention to shut it down as an infringement of Free Speech?

Precisely the kind of blatant disinformation I am talking about.

The "Fairness Doctrine" just got shot down by the US Senate a month ago - by a vote of 87-11!

Seems Obama's not going to shut down talk radio after all

If he tried, I would certainly oppose it, but aside from some online fearmongering, it's simply not happening.

You guys are simply making things up, and then declaring "OMG tyranny!!"

All so you guys can give yourselves as excuse to shoot your neighbors who you think voted for the wrong guy.

I can't speak for anyone else, but all fire coming my way will be returned...

I thought this was an interesting bit of info from the police and military perspective..

Jack McLamb - Police & Military Against the New World Order Taking our oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" seriously.

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Originally posted by Doc Velocity
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When the Cold War ended in the late 1980s, and the Iron Curtain fell amid great jubilation, we learned a lot of things about the communist indoctrination tactics that had been in place in Eastern Europe for over 40 years... We learned, for instance, that in East Berlin alone, 1 in every 3 people were "civilian" KGB informants, ratting out their own neighbors, turning in their own children, betraying their own parents, and generally keeping their foot on the necks of the population.

Welcome to Obama's "Civilian Security Force" — Welcome to East Berlin, USA.
— Doc Velocity

Yes, every Communist Dictatorship is set up like this. There are neighrborhood comittes where one person is in command, and is supposed to snitch out any dissidents, and then there is a sleeper who not even the one in command of the neighborhood knows who he, or she is, but everyone knows this is true.

Because even when the leader of the neighborhood doesn't get informed, or is part of the dissedent voice, the sleeper or sleepers can inform high command, and then those who are dissidents against the dictatorial Communist regime lose their jobs, are harrassed by Communist thughs, can be imprisoned in many instances if the person, or people continue trying to speak out against the Communist regime. If the dissidents continue talking against the regime they are incarcerated, and at times lose their lives.

In such a system no law abbiding citizen has guns, since armed citizens can always fight back against such dictatorships, but each neighborhood comitte has one rifle, and whoever is on duty at night, and after their regular job, that one person per neighrborhood stands guard and has to report anything unusual.

My mother was a nurse in Communist Cuba, and my father was a professor in the morning, and worked with my grandpa in a store (bodega) at night, and they both had to take turns with the other people of the neighborhood to stand guard one night, and rotating with the other people in the neighborhood.

I have been saying this for a long time, I have been seeing this country going down a similar road as Communist Cuba, but it also has many similarities to 1930s Germany. Either one is bad news for the Republic and it's people.

Now, notice that even though at least one bill for the Mandatory Voluntary, and learn-based program passed both the House and Senate, H.R. 1388, yet they are trying to pass more bills related for the same Mandatory Voluntary program.

I think they are doing this because in each bill there is some new program, or part of the program implemented, and the only way to see the entire picture is to read all of the bills.

The new bill H.R 1444 now makes it so that children can be indoctrinated starting from primary school, all the way to college. Of course, there is also the fact that this latest bill says that each member will recieve no pay for this Mandatory Voluntary service. They will just get per diem "in lieu of subsistence", which means the minimum requirement of food for a person to be alive, and their travel expenses will be paid, but that's it....

This is for no other intent and purpose than to implement forced labor, aka slavery in the United States.




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Originally posted by xmotex
Precisely the kind of blatant disinformation I am talking about. The "Fairness Doctrine" just got shot down by the US Senate a month ago....Seems Obama's not going to shut down talk radio after all

Tell the whole Truth. Renewal of the Fairness Doctrine was rejected by the Senate, but that same day, the Senate passed a "media diversity" amendment (tacked onto a voting rights bill) by Democrat Senator Dick Durbin, seeking to achieve the same goals of the Fairness Doctrine through backdoor FCC regulations.

The only "disinformation" being disseminated is by those who want us to believe the Fairness Doctrine is dead.


— Doc Velocity





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