Mysterious Origins of Man - Forbidden Archeology, page 2

Great post...

If anyone is interested, I find this guys stuff to be pretty informative and educational.

Worth a look...

www.thecrowhouse.com...

When you read it the 2nd time, you will be changing your belief system.

So............What if we have all been mislead? Doesn't that change the whole paradigm of the world we think we live in?

JMHO

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Hi, suterlaben and all.

I did not see it in the answers to your post.
Sooooooo, here it is:

Hidden History of the Human Race.
Michael Cremo.

www.conspiracyresearch.org...

It opens a PDF. You can save to disk. . .
Have a good read.

Blue skies.

Originally posted by theonlyrusty

Great post...

If anyone is interested, I find this guys stuff to be pretty informative and educational.

Worth a look...

www.thecrowhouse.com...

When you read it the 2nd time, you will be changing your belief system.

So............What if we have all been mislead? Doesn't that change the whole paradigm of the world we think we live in?

JMHO

Awesome book. Read it before and I would highly recommend it to anyone!

2nd line.....

Anyone open-minded enough to explore this further really should read Cremo as suggested by others in this thread.
I recommend the abridged version if you require a hard copy.

Great post.

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If a theory is falsified, poof, no more theory.

Er, no... actually. A theory does not go *poof* and disappear until it is replaced by something which better explains the facts. For example, we know the theory of Gravity is wrong. It was wrong when it consisted merely of Newtonian Mechanics, because it could not account for the orbit of some of the planets - notably Mercury. We knew it was wrong, but it worked in most all other cases - so we used it a better theory came along, Relativity. Einstein's theory of Relativity encompassed all of what Newtonian Mechanics had to say about gravity, but also could account for the orbit of Mercury. However, Relativity isn't perfect either. It assumes certain things about elementary particles which know isn't true, and the disconnect between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics represents one of the largest gaps in our understanding of known physics.

Does this mean we've discarded the theory of Relativity or Newtonian Mechanics? Not at all.

Even if evidence were presented to prove that our understanding of Evolution is fundamentally flawed, we would still use Evolution until a better theory were presented to replace it.

Evolution has already had such challenges, because in it's original framework, Darwin had no concept of what inherited information was being passed down. It was, however, revealed (in part) within his lifetime by the Augustinian Priest Gregor Mendel - known as the father of modern genetics - as was the first of his predicted transitional fossils: Archaeopteryx. Later discoveries by Watson, Crick, and Franklin confirmed the existence of DNA - the information that Darwin was searching for. Not to mention the introduction of Genetic Drift by Sewall Wright.

Each piece of the puzzle could have potentially poked major holes in Darwin's theory in the same way that Mercury's orbit highlighted obvious flaws in Newtonian Mechanics. That didn't happen. Each discovery matched extremely well with Darwin's predictions, albeit augmenting them. The ability to confirm the evidence of evolution without fundamental contradiction from the bottom up taxonomically, as well as from the top down genetically is why Evolution is considered a Twin Nested Hierarchy. It's the unifying theory of biology, not because it's been artificially pushed into such a position or because it's half-assed explanation, but because it ties together multiple different and largely unrelated fields of biology into a cohesive whole.

Is Evolution the final word? We can't say. There could be much more left to discover. However, just because we acknowledge that, does not detract from the veracity the theory has thus far proven to have. The reason why Evolution is so often touted as fact, despite it's status as theory is simply because it is absolutely the most comprehensive and most well supported theory in science.

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With today's technology... we could do this easy....AS A WHOLE.. not divided and we left religion out of it.

United we stand, divided we fall, eh? Careful there Amused, it almost sounds like you're in favor of supporting a One World Government. The armchair revolutionaries here won't take kindly to that kind of talk.

reply to post by Lasheic

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Yes, I realize all the points you made. What I mean is that the theory as it stands would then have to be revised, just like Darwinism was refined to Modern Synthesis, then to Neo-Darwinism, etc..

They are different theories because of their revisions.

1. Observe
2. Come up with hypotheses that is consistent with observations.
3. Use hypotheses to predict or form experiments.
4. Test these predictions by observing your experiments.
5. Modify your hypotheses according to results.
6. Repeats steps 4 and 5 until there are no discrepancies between predictions and observations, or repeat step 2 and work your way down again.

All these steps mean when you have to go back to step 2 it isn't the same theory anymore.

Also, I said when a "Theory" is falsified, poof no more theory. I DIDN'T say when an "observation" is falsified, poof, no more theory. Just to clarify.

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1. Observe
2. Come up with hypotheses that is consistent with observations.
3. Use hypotheses to predict or form experiments.
4. Test these predictions by observing your experiments.
5. Modify your hypotheses according to results.
6. Repeats steps 4 and 5 until there are no discrepancies between predictions and observations, or repeat step 2 and work your way down again.

I don't know your background, you may have experience in scientific research as I myself do, but with all due respect, your algorithm as quoted above demonstrates a good deal of naivete with regard to how the actual process really works -

i. Obtain Funding
1. Observe
2. Come up with hypotheses that is consistent with observations.
3. Use hypotheses to predict or form experiments.
4. Test these predictions by observing your experiments.
5. Modify your hypotheses according to results.
6. Repeats steps 4 and 5 until there are no discrepancies between predictions and observations, or repeat step 2 and work your way down again.
ii. Return to Step ( i )

As you see, anybody can get through the process once.

But, if a reasearcher demonstrates he is unwilling or unable to play ball with the funding agency -- that's it, kaput -- he'll soon be flipping burgers somewhere or changing oil down in the pit ...

All so called science is unquestionably controlled from the top down via the funding process.

Since you didn't even mention this all important fact, even in passing, I will suggest you yourself are merely an armchair scientist who has convinced himself he knows what he's talking about in spite of all the evidence to the contrary you've provided in this thread and others.

Egad! Where to start...?

Obviously this is a bit of Creationist propaganda. Just look at Cremo's website. It's a whole lot of New Age rubbish that links to other New age, crystal hugging, alien worshiping nonsense. I'm not saying there is absolutely nothing to all those things, there may be, but it is less than 1% of the vast mound of horse manure that people have made up outright over the many years.

The free floating crust of the Earth thing really had me chuckling. As if the overweight , top heavy arctic could actually make all the different tectonic plates move as one. I mean, come on! What is to stop it then from just spinning around forever?

The missing link straw man argument was a dead giveaway. These creationist persist on using it as if they had no understanding of the Theory of Evolution at all. ...er, maybe that is the point. Oh well.

Anyhow, Thanks for the entertaining video. It did put a smile on my face.

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All these steps mean when you have to go back to step 2 it isn't the same theory anymore.

But it is the same theory. At it's core, Evolution is still descent with modification subjected to natural selection. The fact that we know more about the mechanisms of evolution now, does not negate the original theory in any way. Indeed, it's still perfectly capable of increasing diversity without the other factors - as we've shown with GA's (Genetic Algorithms) in engineering. GA's aren't subject to Genetic Drift or Horizontal Gene Transfer, for instance, but it still works.

Originally intended as a deconstruction of the "Blind Watchmaker" creationist argument, I feel this video accurately demonstrates my point as well.


The simulation used in the video can be downloaded here.

I trust cdk007, but as always, be wise and take appropriate security measures with any file you download from the net. (Make sure your definitions are up to date and scan the .zip)

Note: It took the author three weeks to compile his results. I don't know how fast your computer is in comparison to his, or how thorough your tests will be. Just know that it may not be a very *fast* process.

Also, I said when a "Theory" is falsified, poof no more theory. I DIDN'T say when an "observation" is falsified, poof, no more theory. Just to clarify.

A theory is a explanation designed to account for all of the facts. Facts are units of observation and data. If a theory does not fit the verifiable facts, or worse is contradicted by them, then the theory is wrong. Therefore, the theory is falsified either in part or in whole because it is not an accurate model of reality.

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