Mysterious Origins of Man - Forbidden Archeology, page 1
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reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 02:24 AM by TheComte
Very interesting first segment. I'll watch the others later on but first, I was intrigued by the story of Dr. Virginia Steen-McIntyre and her find. Some people don't believe this type of thing happens in the scientific community. I say we can't begin to know the truth until it ends. Let the facts be the facts.

Here is her official site which has much of her data:
www.valsequilloclassic.net...

Much of the data concerns Hueyatlaco, the youngest of four archaeologic sites discovered in 1964 by Mexican Prehistorian Juan Armenta Camacho and archaeologist Cynthia Irwin-Williams, then a graduate student in anthropology at Harvard. It contains the most complete sedimentary record. El Horno, a topographically lower, older site is also discussed. Both have been dated using U-series methods (on a bone and a tooth fragment respectively) to approximately 250,000 - 300,000 years. The Hueyatlaco site in addition has had volcanic ash layers dated by the zircon fission-track method and the tephra hydration dating method, and more recently its sedimentary layers by diatom stratigraphy. All methods agree as to the site's great age.



reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 03:11 AM by BluegrassRevolutionary
reply to post by suterlaben



Well, I haven't finished all of the 5 part series yet, but so far this is what I have been led to understand;

1. Dinosaur and man walked the earth together.
2. No "missing link" has been found.
3. Darwin was wrong.

I don't know, sounds like a bid for religious creationism to me. I should have known when I saw that Heston was the narrator.



reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 08:49 AM by wakingmind
reply to post by Essan





Just because it's broadcast on TV doesn't necessarily make something true, any more than being on youtube does


I completely agree, in general this is a great rule of thumb, but it is not to say that periodically some nuggets of truth don't slip thru into both of these realms.
While Mysterious Origins may not be perfect, it still is interesting and thought provoking as to why these artifacts appear in rock layers that are in some cases millions of years older than the oldest known form of intelligent man, or why the scientists that uncover said artifacts are silenced and in some cases have their careers ruined, and why the scientific community would go such great lengths to attempt to punish nbc for airing the show.
Also consider why Darwin's theory of evolution has been elevated to near religious ideology, rather than the potentially disprovable THEORY that it is. Even Darwin himself admitted ( as a good scientist should ) that his theories had little backing from the fossil record and may be inconclusive. However, these days, questioning Darwin's theories instantly relegates you to the status of Creationist nutjob who thinks the Earth is 5000 years old and Jesus buried dinosaur bones to test the faith of his followers.
I have no political or religious affiliations, and I don't drink anyone's kool-aid, I just think there are compelling questions raised by Mysterious Origins that deserve answers.


reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 08:57 AM by wakingmind
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Get all breathless if you want...flame me if it makes you feel better...just don't bet the farm on Cremo and his Forbidden Archaeology.

Frankly, there are much better stories out there...



Like I said earlier, I don't drink anyone's kool-aid. I know Cremo's ideas aren't perfect, just like mine or yours or anybody's, but I also know that Michael Cremo didn't go out and bury these bones and artifacts to sell books. Maybe his theories are wrong, but at least he's trying to answer questions that mainstream science is completely ignoring.


reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 09:52 AM by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by wakingmind Seems to me that tangible evidence to the contrary might make said group of general propositions rather incoherent as a means of explaining a class of phenomena.
But please, I'm sure your command of the english language far exceeds mine, so excuse me for sinking deeper into my quagmire of stupidity, pal.


Oh, now I've gone and caused offence. I was actually being quite sincere...my sarcasm is much, much richer. But here's chapter and verse from Wiki:

A theory, in the general sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of observations. A theory does two things:

it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and

makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.

The term is often used colloquially to refer to any explanatory thought, even fanciful or speculative ones, but in scholarly use it is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of that class. These requirements vary across different fields of knowledge, but in general theories are expected to be functional and parsimonious: i.e. a theory should be the simplest possible tool that can be used to effectively address the given class of phenomena.
en.wikipedia.org...

In other words, in science, a theory is the best possible explanation given what we know...which is to say that it is considered factual unless it can be disproven. You need to go through both life and science using a baseline of knowlege. That is wrapped up in a 'theory'.

I mean you can argue this if you want, but you're better of investigating what I say, first. And no, no offence taken.

Secondly, regarding your comment:

but I also know that Michael Cremo didn't go out and bury these bones and artifacts to sell books. Maybe his theories are wrong, but at least he's trying to answer questions that mainstream science is completely ignoring.


you are working under two misapprehensions...first that Cremo's examples are all that he says they are, or found where it is said they were, etc, etc. You know what they say...if you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. Cremo is famous for zebras...they suit his agenda.

Secondly, that mainstream science did not or can not explain some of his phenomena.

Finally, you know, sometimes we just don't know why something is the way it is. PhDs are awarded to those trying to find out, and fame goes to those who are sucessful. Scientists go into their fields becasue they have asked the same sort of questions you are.

It all comes down to what you want to accept as fact. Somebody elses flawed explanations, or the ones you dig up. And I'll tell you, the adventure is not in the knowing...it is in the seeking.

Finally...no, you're not stupid. I've studied a little archaeolgy, is all.

Peace


reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 10:58 AM by B.A.C.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Originally posted by wakingmind Seems to me that tangible evidence to the contrary might make said group of general propositions rather incoherent as a means of explaining a class of phenomena.
But please, I'm sure your command of the english language far exceeds mine, so excuse me for sinking deeper into my quagmire of stupidity, pal.


Oh, now I've gone and caused offence. I was actually being quite sincere...my sarcasm is much, much richer. But here's chapter and verse from Wiki:

A theory, in the general sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of observations. A theory does two things:

it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and

makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.

The term is often used colloquially to refer to any explanatory thought, even fanciful or speculative ones, but in scholarly use it is reserved for ideas which meet baseline requirements about the kinds of observations made, the methods of classification used, and the consistency of the theory in its application among members of that class. These requirements vary across different fields of knowledge, but in general theories are expected to be functional and parsimonious: i.e. a theory should be the simplest possible tool that can be used to effectively address the given class of phenomena.
en.wikipedia.org...

In other words, in science, a theory is the best possible explanation given what we know...which is to say that it is considered factual unless it can be disproven. You need to go through both life and science using a baseline of knowlege. That is wrapped up in a 'theory'.

I mean you can argue this if you want, but you're better of investigating what I say, first. And no, no offence taken.

Secondly, regarding your comment:

but I also know that Michael Cremo didn't go out and bury these bones and artifacts to sell books. Maybe his theories are wrong, but at least he's trying to answer questions that mainstream science is completely ignoring.


you are working under two misapprehensions...first that Cremo's examples are all that he says they are, or found where it is said they were, etc, etc. You know what they say...if you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. Cremo is famous for zebras...they suit his agenda.

Secondly, that mainstream science did not or can not explain some of his phenomena.

Finally, you know, sometimes we just don't know why something is the way it is. PhDs are awarded to those trying to find out, and fame goes to those who are sucessful. Scientists go into their fields becasue they have asked the same sort of questions you are.

It all comes down to what you want to accept as fact. Somebody elses flawed explanations, or the ones you dig up. And I'll tell you, the adventure is not in the knowing...it is in the seeking.

Finally...no, you're not stupid. I've studied a little archaeolgy, is all.

Peace


A theory is not considered factual, it is only the best explanation scientists have until a better explanation becomes available. Theories and facts are not the same thing. If a theory is falsified, poof, no more theory. Of course whenever a person is trying to push their belief in something, they will claim that theory is fact.

What people should accept as fact, is facts. A theory should never be accepted as fact, that's the whole reason it's premise is falsifiable.

If you've "studied" archeology or any science you should know this.

You actually had to pull a definition off of wiki? You couldn't freehand that one? No, you're not stupid, just need to "study" more.

deny ignorance



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reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 11:00 AM by B.A.C.
reply to post by suterlaben



This video series isn't based on good evidence and objective research.

I wouldn't put any weight in these finds. They are definitely pushing an agenda.


reply posted on 27-3-2009 @ 11:28 AM by theindependentjournal
reply to post by BluegrassRevolutionary



I is from a creationist point of view, but SCIENTIFICALLY backed. They don't like it when Archeologists prove evolution incorrect. That's why it;'s called Forbidden Archeology. Did you know that when they find giants bones they rebury them? there were over 24 of these found in Illinois in a burial mound, they reburied them because evolution says we are getting better and bigger now, so anything that shows bigger or better in the past is hidden, reburied or just pretended not to exist.

Example - Dagon fish god brass/bronze bell found inside a lump of coal dated to 2,500,000 hears old. Another term they use for this is OOPART, Out Of Place Artifacts. The coal seam isn't that old and the bell was from the era of metallurgy and metal working. There are many of these finds that are available to look at, but as I said, science don't like anything that makes Darwin's Racist theory go down...
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