What do you hate about America?

Reason I didn't reply to the last post was because of what gets pointed out.
There are people here making some good strong points about the USA, and even I was pointing out the badness of the USA I still found myself getting closer to Americans in how they feel, and in most areas there is agreement...sadly a few US ***** kinda bring out the worst in america...due to the fact that they are not reading or learning from anything here, they simply look for anything pointless to comment on...why not attack my statement on patriotism??? if you want to be constructive.

Oh I guess his totally ignorant remark was just a joke to wind up left wingers....so I made my joking remark back.....didn't realize that the sence of humour level was rock bottom :-/

And Drunk is right it was a generalization...I am not going to reply to accusations that I am here to petty argue with others.

This whole post is based on generalizations, sadly some take it personally.....

Which goes back to the education problems.


Oh and AMuk I didn't refer it to you, I made it clear I didn't want anything to do with you...so stop picking everything out as a personal attack on you. Like I said, you are not that important and I refuse to let people like you bring me down. So kindly Amuk for the last time..stfu...and stay out of my face....I dont even want to mention you in my next post...so just move on with your life and be a little constructive.

Amuk..no need to reply to this at all ok??
So no need for you to make childish violent threats! I am all laughed out.
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I posted my feelings on what I hate about the USA...even though I am not an American, I gathered this was a global post.

If there was a post saying what is good about the USA, I could post many replies on what is good and positive about the USA.

So please stop taking non-americans opinions as some attack on the USA.

Freedom of speech or at least to post.....and I am still in amazment that an American would actually threaten me with violence because they disagreed with my post...

Again please keep this on topic,
And please no insults! Im sure we can all argue without the insults,

Asala :@)

"Oh and AMuk I didn't refer it to you, I made it clear I didn't want anything to do with you...so stop picking everything out as a personal attack on you. Like I said, you are not that important and I refuse to let people like you bring me down. So kindly Amuk for the last time..stfu...and stay out of my face....I dont even want to mention you in my next post...so just move on with your life and be a little constructive.

Amuk..no need to reply to this at all ok??
So no need for you to make childish violent threats! I am all laughed out."



Just where did I threaten you? Show me in any post I made where I threatened you. I have even defended your right to say what you pleased YOU are the one that keeps telling me to shut up, and that I better stay out of your face. So who is threatening who and who is trying to censor who? You claim not to want to have nothing to do with me but then put my name on your avitar to try to provoke me.

But why start worring about the truth now you havent so far

Do I have YOUR name on MY avitar?But I am the better man I wont complain to the mods over your behavior.....LOL

Talk about childish



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You are a moron and an embarresment to your country, you know what your said, it was clearly typed.....waste of time me being here.

I guessed you would be quick to respond...you are totally predictable.

Laters rest...

Oh and my post was clearly anything but childish...you just dont have the brains...maybe thats why all your good for is violence..going back to your so callled army career and your so called Karate....

I wont even read your next post as I am off from this topic...

I noticed you could not show the post.......LOL


I am not the one calling names or putting your name on my avitar like a little kid.......LOL


But keep it up you are showing everyone who the moron is.......LOL

Reason i didnt post you reply as i cannot be bothered.

But you know what was said, you stated the fact that if i was there you would teach me a lesson..regarding fighting.
I laugh at you for that as someone like you is the last thing i fear.

Least I have tried to be constructive in this post, all you have done if follow up on my post with your moronic statements..even now turned into lies.

And has finally confirmed what I dislike about the USA.
Aggressive morons.

But I am sure you will have your last say....sadly others may not at all be interested

So maybe reply to me using personal message box from now on...but be warned, I wont waste my time reading it.

you stated the fact that if i was there you would teach me a lesson..regarding fighting.

This is a lie



I said I wondered if you were as mouthy in person NEVER did I threaten you would you like me to repost the whole thing?

But dont let me stop your fantisies

By the way your name calling has really hurt my feelings



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Ok Amuk you are full of crap, and you wrote a lot more than that before.

You win I will leave this forum ok...a moronic hill billy that lives in drugsville has driven me away.

Now you can focus your attention on somebody else cant you......

A real biker doesnt waste his time in Forums, they travel the country in groups.
And most bikers are pretty clued up about the world.....Amuk take that biker tag off, you shame them to.

Cya rest of the world and USA..hope we survive a while longer...dont hate you, just those at the top...and I pity the Amuks of America.

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Originally posted by AgentMadcap
Ok Amuk you are full of crap, and you wrote a lot more than that before.

You win I will leave this forum ok...a moronic hill billy that lives in drugsville has driven me away.

Now you can focus your attention on somebody else cant you......

I am not asking you to leave just quit lying and being such a drama queen but hell you dont even have to do that I am against censership even of you

A real biker doesnt waste his time in Forums, they travel the country in groups.

You really dont have a clue do you?

They are a half dozen bikers in these forums not all of us are hells angels

you have been watching too many movies have your mommy explain the difference to you

I see you are still on I guess that was a lie too

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Erm now..lot of bikers in my family...and they dont waste there time in forums. THere proberly are other bikers here, but I am sure they are not following other peoples posts with posts that dont even go anywhere.

How many posts does it take for you to move on?

I mean shouldnt you be fitting on loudpipes or something?...

Reason I am leaving is for other people..you wont drop it and they are not interested in our pointless argument...

So I am doing the decent thing by leaving so others can enjoy what forums had to offer...sadly in my brief time here I came across Amuk....

Other places I can have grown up disscussions with...sadly I cannot here can I ?


LOL i am slow..I can just place him on IGNORE for ever....thankyou ignore feature

Goodbye forever lame AMuk

I can see his instant pointless last say below this..you are in ignore list Amuk...
I dont want people like you to influence my feelings about the USA...

Also I am sorry for allowing this topic to slip to this....I should of ignored him from the start....

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How many posts does it take for you to move on?

I am not the one claiming to quit but what the hell EVERYTHING else you have said was bull# too

I finely made someones ignore list

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Originally posted by junglejake
Ahhh, what do I hate about america?

I hate drivers in the Green Bay area, they always drive so slowly and in the left lane!

I also hate White Castle.

And of course, I hate the Packers!

Let me get this right you hate the way they drive in GB and you hate the packers? Well we hate flat landers and the way they drive, we also hate the Bears.

-I hate the people who say they want to take the country back to the way it was, yet the way it was had nothing to do with a socialist agenda.

Hate is such a strong word, But i'll use the term dislike as the word hate.

-I hate the two party system, apathy, hate the political arena because everything has already been planned out before it hits the media. Garan #ing teed.
FDR let us in on that little secret.

The stupidity of people who believe it's not, and that the issues they bicker over are actually really a concern for the elected officials.

It's a big joke, and the ones that are laughing are the ones who create problems for you to bitch about...

Keeps society at war with eachother,
Keeps em paid, keeps em in power, keeps you stupid..

That's what I hate.

I hate the fact that there are too many in the USA that feel like they need or have the right to get involved in other people's business, tell others how to live and who or what to worship [edit added: or smoke!].

... and I hate lawyers and their stranglehold on our nation. They are a self-perpetuating plague upon the good will and honor of the citizenry. They breed distrust and lies as a matter of course. They trade on deceit and the pre-supposed expectation of it for profit. There is no justice system in the USA. There is a legal system. You get the justice you can afford. Lawyers and the depenedance upon them that they encourage just suck.

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Originally posted by junglejake
Ahhh, what do I hate about america?

I hate drivers in the Green Bay area, they always drive so slowly and in the left lane!

I also hate White Castle.

And of course, I hate the Packers!

Uh oh!!! How bout them bears... wow... Funny we people in Wisconsin say the same about you in Chicago. You even had to make a law about driving in the passing lane there!!!

Oh here.

WHY the hell is California allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS to go to school? WTF? Um lets put the drunk who slugged his wife in an argument in jail (of course she hit him too, don't you watch cops?) with NO rights while a person with ILEGAL in front of their name gets to go to school and get a job and have state health care. WHAT utter BULL shi* is that all about. I am not against immigration to the U.S. I ask that if you do, do it legally and learn English. I was amazed when atm's started putting an English or Spanish before you can continue. All right I can live with that, there are a heck of allot of Spanish speaking folks here, probably 2nd behind English. Now I go to the ATM and there are symbols on there! Damn, if you come here to live LEARN ENGLISH. No there is no official language in the United States, but almost all of us speak ENGLISH or some form close enough to at least UNDERSTAND you when you call on the phone from the DMV checking on insurance! Here in good old Fairfax County Va. they want all employees to speak AT LEAST one other language. Come to the DMV here, its not AMERICA its ...........I don�t know what it is but it is amazing. How can they give a license to drive to someone who doesn�t speak English? No wonder some ethnic groups don't like the police because they get stopped and the OFFICER not only CANNOT understand the bad guy (traffic ticket) but he/she CANNOT explain to them the problem! Wow guess if you know Vietnamese, Spanish, Farsi, and all the rest you are SUPER COP!

But there is more than that problem. Our citizens need to take a step back and take a look at what�s going on. It�s not the government taking away your rights. Its individuals who feel it is so detrimental to their child to here a word in school, just a word GOD because he is an atheist and his individual rights are stepped upon. I am not religious or even follow anything but I don�t burst into flames saying it. My feet don't fall off. My lips don't explode and my tongue turns black and fall off. GOD GOD GOD DAMNNNN.

When are people going to stop and take a good look around? This politically correct swing we are in is getting way out of hand. Are we so willing to cater to each individual that now the Declaration of Independence cannot be read in a California school because of a word that may hurt someone�s feelings? Next kids wont be able to say mom or dad at school because a same sex couple has a child and might not understand? Parental Unit 1 and 2.

Wonderful, so soon as a student is traumatized by the video is the ACLU then going to take up her case and sue the state for having her watch it? The government is not the right place to aim your worries at about rights today. We are taking them away all by our selves. SO damn worried about offending anyone with a word or song that they cant teach it in schools after all the decades it worked for the majority. Somewhere the rights of the people as a whole have been lost to a single person. It won't be to long at this rate than when a child is born its mouth is stapled shut because some one was offended by every word. So worried about your individual rights that you will end up taking more rights away as one person taking offense to anything will just keep going. Then no one will be an individual because everyone has to be the same so no one is insulted or their feelings hurt because apparently it is becoming that an individuals right to not be slighted is overtaking the majorities right to free spppppppeeeeeechhhhhhhhhhhhh.


This is very close to out of control. Well the ACLU sues to have a tape about homosexuality shown in school. Next they sue on behalf of the child who was offended by seeing the tape when really the kid probably cares less but told mom (oops parent unit 1) about it and PARENTAL UNIT 1 was offended. Talk about a racket.

Well we can just let self centered individuals who believes the country revolves around them pick away at the right of the majority.

Keep blaming the government while its individuals filing lawsuits that start to encroach on everyone. Lets see if we can take all the way down to where it is decided you can no longer use the First Amendment and talk because every word has a meaning to someone that is bothered by it. We can all wear some soft color jump suit because your red tee shirt bugs the person next door and said it hurt her right to look around without seeing someone in a red shirt.

It may sound absurd but step back and take a look. Slowly things are being banned or taken away because an individual believes their right not to sit through a moment of silence at school harms them because some might be silently praying? It happened here in Virginia.

Sooner or later you will not be allowed to be an individual like they thought they were winning because everyone is going to have to be the same so as not to encroach on the right of one, everything will have been so nitpicked at that no mater what you do someone�s individual right get trampled. Great we should all be looking forward to that. Its happening and we are sitting back watching it. As a Republic it sure seems that the right of the majority should be the voice of the country rather than the few. Apparently not anymore. If 1000 people want the Declaration of Independence taught as written why can a small few or even one person take that away? The USA was not designed to make EVERYONE 100% happy ALL of the time, its give and take.

It keeps going, it�s never ending.

It�s not just with words. My kids no longer get grades in school! WHY? I�m not making this up. This is crazy. No more A B C D or F. ummm mmmmm if you pass you get a P and if you don�t you get an N for needs improvement. All so the kids who would have failed would not have hurt feelings by being told they failed. A little extra credit with a P will get you a little O next to it for outstanding. Plus a bonus, if you get an N and they think your self esteem will be damaged in some way by repeating the class while you class mates move on...................go with them, you�ll catch up. Great! Now not passing the proper test has no consequence. Now you just learned you don�t have to try. PLUS now the kid can�t read because she didn�t pass the first class. HOW CRAZY and this is Fairfax county one of the best in the country. Oh we could go on all day.

Hard to have a UNITED STATES when everyone is so wrapped up in him or her that they don't care what a million others think and have no give and take. Me me me. This is a society made up of many with give and take not an expanse of land made up individuals where every possible single person can be totally happy. There are things you like and things you don't and if we let people trample all over the majority because they cant compromise then we are in trouble. Terrorist should take a look at it and realize if something does not stop individuals from pushing the majority around we won't survive as a country unless it becomes a sterile cookie cutter everyone is the exact same so no one is offended environment. Heck we wont need a President because there is nothing to negotiate, everything will be the same. Yep you can have your model T in any color as long as it�s black. That will probably offend someone too.

That�s fu***d up and it doesn't matter if Bush or Kerry is at the helm because we are the ones not standing together when something such as the Declaration of Independence which means so much to the country gets tossed out because of word and let them break down everything to such a minute detail that was not intended to be. Ohhh the ME States of America. The delusion people, is being diverted from what happening by a squabble over who is playing the big cheese. Look around at your fellow citizens taking away things from you. If you don't think our children should learn about the Declaration of Independence in an unadulterated original fashion then we really are in trouble. We can go ahead and burn the Constitution and Bill of Rights now because it will be hacked up long before our President will get to it. It�s happening daily.

Now I look around ATS and see more people so interested or worried about a base in dried up lake bed that has been there for years, that has secrets we don�t need to know about yet because it won't matter what is there if they don't start thinking about not letting the train derail. Quit worrying about a desert outpost in the middle of now where and start looking closer to home.

Oh and do NOT forget ANIMAL nooooooooooooo. They probably test them at Groom Lake! SO F***ING WHAT? The area around that place has the most pristine wilderness in the country! BECAUSE people LEAVE IT ALONE. OH don�t hunt Bambi, we are in their habitat. WHAT? Um folks, there are more damn rats of the forest or as others call them, white tail deer, than when we first settled in this land! Same with TREES there are more NOW. Why, because people need lumber so they planted them. Look at the plains states. Used to be all prairies, now there is one hell of a stand of timber out there. Lets just take away a loggers job, a millers job, a wood workers job and ohhhh the great paper makers job because some three tailed two toed twenty five mm three eyed newt that is bright yellow lives there. I could care less about the newt. Just like our place in Destin FL. Build a dock, put in riprap and some stupid PROTECTED grass grows that is not even NATIVE to the place. Can�t pull it, its illegal to pull it. GUESS WHAT I pull it at night. Oh take me away as it clogs up the waterway! Hell a lot less people live in Milan Mo. Where our farm is than when my dad was a kid there. Now there is so much wildlife and trees grown you couldn�t plant anything soon if you wanted too. Rabitts will eat the fruit, deer and turkey the grain, bobcats kill the calves, and the stupid Red Tail hawk ENDANGERED what?????????? NOT. Well unless I see them then they become endangered quite quickly.

I really think this a rough road that will end abruptly if people don't start asserting the right of masses over the few. The Romans fell after 2000 years. I hope we make it to 300 at this rate.

I really didn't think that when writing the Declaration of Independence they really had in mind that people would all be happy with no work, no pain an no OH FORBID hurt feelings. I�m pretty sure the didn't think people in the country really planned on just coasting through life doing as little as possible and just letting the few folks who don�t like what they wrote as a framework just change it and who cares what the majority of the rest of the country thinks.

You can have any color model T you want as long as its black.

Lets just start burning the constitution up now so as people who have to have the center of the country revolve around them hack away at it until it doesn�t offend them the way its written can use it for toilet paper.

Won�t work. It has to be a flexible document because it was never intended to make everyone 100% happy in some Utopia. Everyone to make the society work needs to be flexible on different parts that are important to them and not get so wrapped up because a piece fits every one else but them that they go running to the ACLU or file a lawsuit to have it removed to suit the individual or minority opinion. It�s a Republic and a majority should rule it. But it has gotten to the point where a lawsuit is brought up you don't say anything because you might be accused of being INTOLERANT to a couple of people why the rest stand by and shake their heads saying what next. Absolute rigid ideals are about impossible to work unless everyone can just sit back and say,
�Yep it says God. But so what?� Otherwise why continue? Individuals with their own agenda not considering the rest of the country are costing everyone else. Keep going and we will end up with not individuals but programmed human bodies with not any personality at all.

URRRRRRR and all because a few people who don't like it want to make sure everyone does it their way...........I guess now it would be the only and one way it has to be done now because it hurt their feelings or you are breaking the law that was added or changed just for them. Screw the rest of the country. ITS ALL ABOUT ME and I have the right to be happy at the expense of the rest of you so phhhhhttttttt to you and HMMM isn�t that a bitch for you Mr. majority. Lets just keep ripping apart the framework to suit everyone until nothing is left. Seems to me it was a foundation to build upon not tear down.


All these years in the Military must have shielded me from such utter crap. If people can't be flexible and use what they need and give back what they don't this country has got not a chance. I just hope I am a few feet under by then. What a way to blow up what started as a fight with a King for stuff like Independence or taxation without representation. Hell brings out the tea and lets go to Boston. Oh never mind it would pollute the harbor or something.

It goes on and on today:

I wonder how far the Constitution will be torn down by the minority of people who believe they need to twist it and rip parts out to fit their needs before people end up saying oopsssss we were supposed to build on this frame work given to us by the people who had enough of the King and wanted freedom for this new country not the right for a few people to be in Utopia while the rest watched and changed our views so the few would be happy as it is ripped up and oh please caught it and fixed it. Well guess the majority will have to do the work of rebuilding because we would not want to upset the minority.

I would be scared if a major war like WWII were to happen right now. With the way it�s going we are going to have a few people just let us get attacked because someone out their does not like our policies and we deserve it. I have actually seen that posted. We deserved it. Hm go tell that to the wives and loved ones of the fine officers I considered friends that died in the Pentagon.

So damn gutless you have to sit and complain like a bunch of little kids until you get your wish while the majority .............. sheesh. Taking the stars and bars off a flag in Georgia because a minority of people thinks its racist. ITS HISTORRRRYYYYYYYYYY. Remember, it was the flag of the CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA!! On a positive, it worked so well! Now you cannot drive south of Maryland without seeing THOUSANDS of them flying when you used to see very few. I am not racist at all, predjudice, probably a little. So is everyone else you are PERFECT. Here in the U.S. The black people fought so hard for equality. Now they seperate themselves and blame everyone else. We get in an uproar because professional basket ball players get in a brawl with fans. We look where they get these kids from. The inner city where they play ball all day and say screw everyone and everything cause im gonna be like Mike *Jordan*! You will see! I would love to know the average number of pro players that cannot even read. What a bunch of thugs, raised like thugs and still are. Michael Jordan is an awful roll model. Not even one percent of those kids will make it out of South East DC. Nations capital bull shi*, national war zone is what it is.

The kids need schools, good schools. They deserve it. AND UNLIKE what Mrs Bill Clinton ( senator yeeeeahhhaaaa ) thinks, it does not take a village. It takes parents and family or at worst guardians who care. Why would I want to be a teacher today? Hell I make money in Software engineering, alot more than I would teaching. I have better hours, can work from home and best of all I can be a parent to MY kids and NOT to a classroom full of kids who just plain have NO manners or respect for ANYTHING at all. Of course there are exceptions. My teacher in sixth grade used to hug me all the time. I saw her at the beach last summer. We talked about my kids and school and when we all left the beach I and my kids got a hug. She said she would NEVER do that in school in todays world. One messed up kid takes it funny or because they HEARD its wrong goes to Parental Unit 1 or 2. and wham fired, lawsuit, you CHILD MOLESTER YOU. Man, man oh man what a shame that is.



You can have your model T in any color, as long as it�s black!

The politics of polite and correct is out of hand. Its absurd.

Next topic should be the "moral majority". I just watched All in the Family. How that show got on the air the first place is beyond me. BUT its a funny show! Wonder how much longer that will be around? Its hard to find on Public Channels but its on cable just like the most popular and viewed shows are. Or the National Christmas Tree on the mall here in DC? Im sure its days are numbered.

It truly is the 'MORAL MINORITY' and they just scream louder! Just look at what they have done to TV and radio. Can't say this can't show that. What a load. Change the damn channel if you don�t like it. I have never seen a TV or radio with one channel. BUT the govt. and the moral MINORITY thinks their morals should put upon the majority. So no boobs on TV, no bad language just the minorities same boring stuff. But if they would step back and see that the Number one shows are on cable and say and show �awful things� maybe the clue would close in and they would realize that nudity and language DON�T BOTHER THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. Oh but its ok on National Geographic when they show people in a jungle running around naked. Why? OH THEY ARE HEATHENS say the moral minority. Ask them why. The usual answer is �Well look at them! No clothes on! Breasts out! Oh and a penis! Not to mention the huge jewelry and ohhhh the �war paint�. I bet my mom puts on more paint or �makeup� to make it sound good in a week than these women paint their whole bodies in years combined. My kids were so traumatized seeing my Playboys around�NOT. Au Contraire. They respect their bodies and others rights and space to boot.

GET OVER IT ALREADY FOLKS. Your morals are just that, YOUR morals. Keep them to yourselves and your family. CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL IF YOU DON�T LIKE IT.

I hope my kids do ok. They are 15 and 10, boy and girl, both do well in school. Both can read, write and do arithmetic without a computer. They both are respectful to elders and above all their peers and teachers and other adults respect them. They went to church even though I am not religious. They needed to go until they could make up their minds about what to believe. My son made up his, my daughter will be allowed to stop or continue when she turns 14 also. I have never heard foul language from either but if they use it at some point in time, fine, just don�t turn into a gutter mouth. They don�t get in trouble out or at home. They know the limits on video games and watch TV all they want. They may buy any game they want, but the moral minority has decided they are to young for some. T

The only thing about their growing up that bothers me is making them check in every couple of hours. WHY IS THIS? I was out all day and half the night at their ages. But the media seems to make crime so much worse than it was then. ITS NOT, IT IS OVER REPORTED. The crimes are the same but more people are around so more people do it and more people get caught. So they check in time to time. Hugs and kisses and I love you flow freely.




I don't even pretend to know what all the answers are but one is for sure and that is term limits and no more career polotician in the house and senate.
It needs to happen, because soon us younger folks and our kids will be running the country. Do we wan't business as usual as the politician just keep grooming new kids so their legacy lives on? Or do we want a return to what used to be or at least felt like a normal life here? I think the latter, although I bet June and Ward Cleaver had one bed and not a pair of twins, that was for TV right???

How can the Declaration of Independence that includes the word God be unconstitutional when it was written BEFORE the Constituion and Bill of Rights? By Proxy? WTF.


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I hate property tax (gov rent), social security, and tax on oil. All evil!

Originally posted by just_a_pilot
It truly is the 'MORAL MINORITY' and they just scream louder! Just look at what they have done to TV and radio. Can't say this can't show that. What a load. Change the damn channel if you don�t like it. I have never seen a TV or radio with one channel. BUT the govt. and the moral MINORITY thinks their morals should put upon the majority. So no boobs on TV, no bad language just the minorities same boring stuff.

Nice rant pilot

I agree with almost everything you say here. I only have one issue with the portion I quoted from your thread above. I honestly think you may have your majority and minority mixed up here. That's just my opinion however. I don't think a nation wide poll has ever been taken on this subject.